“You Cannot Hire American Here”

luckyshot said:
Why on earth do we vilify these people?
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No idea. Even George W Bush supported legal immigration/low wages workers because capitalism. Not sure why Trump is living such a lie.
 
Headkicktoleg said:
Their businesses should not be open if they can't run them legally
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Correct. However our government pays farmers to not grow crops and blocks imports of sugar cane to eliminate competition for domestic corn crops.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/why-does-the-govt-pay-farmers

Trump despite his constant rhetoric talk of "Socialism" is executing exactly the worst aspect of socialism. Paying farmers to shut up and vote for him.
https://www.gq.com/story/trump-socialism
 
TeTe said:
No idea. Even George W Bush supported legal immigration/low wages workers because capitalism. Not sure why Trump is living such a lie.
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All politicians love undocumented labor. Without it our economy would implode.
 
Yea we just hired 2 people starting at $8.50 an hour.

Both are US citizens. So yea there are Americans that will work at starting pay.
 
TeTe said:
No idea. Even George W Bush supported legal immigration/low wages workers because capitalism. Not sure why Trump is living such a lie.
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Can I please get a name on that AV, if possible?

Thanks.
 
MoparOrNoCar said:
Yeah it's very American to show up drunk and dirty for your first shift and then demand a paycheck that day.
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In these rural midwestern and southern shitholes half the low wage American workers are on meth or pills.
 
PainIsLIfe said:
Just to be clear, you're advocating to ignore the law because you don't like another another aspect of our laws.
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No, I'm not. I'm pointing out that the reasons people bring up don't make sense unless they're prioritizing outsourcing over illegal immigrants.

It's like a person claiming a need to cut back their expenses. So they decide to eliminate the $10 useless expense while ignoring the $100 useless expense. Sure, they're both useless expenses but one of them is having a larger impact than the other. If reducing expenses was really that important to them, they'd cut the $100 first. They can choose to do the $10 expense instead but they shouldn't pretend that it's truly about reducing expenses.

People can prioritize illegal immigrant labor over outsourced labor but they shouldn't try and convince the thinking public that it has anything to do with protecting the domestic labor pool. Because if it did...outsourcing would be the priority. They should just say "I don't like the idea of illegal immigrant labor because they're illegal immigrants." I'd prefer that over trying to wrap it into some bullshit about domestic wages and local workers...while buying a bunch of things made internationally specifically to avoid local workers and domestic wages.

We want cheap shit (doodads, widgets, sandwiches, etc.) made by foreigners...as long as the foreigners stay in their country when they make it. <45>
 
The Polish Pounder said:
In these rural midwestern and southern shitholes half the low wage American workers are on meth or pills.
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The war on drugs creates more problems and effects poor white people worse than any other demographic of Americans.

If Americans don't like drug lords like Don Miguel producing heroin in Mexico why is the Opiate drug market nearly 100% American?


This is like complaining about Facebook privacy but continuing to use Facebook.
 
panamaican said:
No, I'm not. I'm pointing out that the reasons people bring up don't make sense unless they're prioritizing outsourcing over illegal immigrants.

It's like a person claiming a need to cut back their expenses. So they decide to eliminate the $10 useless expense while ignoring the $100 useless expense. Sure, they're both useless expenses but one of them is having a larger impact than the other. If reducing expenses was really that important to them, they'd cut the $100 first. They can choose to do the $10 expense instead but they shouldn't pretend that it's truly about reducing expenses.

People can prioritize illegal immigrant labor over outsourced labor but they shouldn't try and convince the thinking public that it has anything to do with protecting the domestic labor pool. Because if it did...outsourcing would be the priority. They should just say "I don't like the idea of illegal immigrant labor because they're illegal immigrants." I'd prefer that over trying to wrap it into some bullshit about domestic wages and local workers...while buying a bunch of things made internationally specifically to avoid local workers and domestic wages.

We want cheap shit (doodads, widgets, sandwiches, etc.) made by foreigners...as long as the foreigners stay in their country when they make it. <45>
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That's an interesting take from someone that was suposedly a Republican politician not too long ago.

The key in your post is the word illegal; which you sidestep nicely btw, but that word has a huge bearing on the discussion. And despite your minimizing the effect - they do lower wages.
 
PainIsLIfe said:
That's an interesting take from someone that was suposedly a Republican politician not too long ago.

The key in your post is the word illegal; which you sidestep nicely btw, but that word has a huge bearing on the discussion. And despite your minimizing the effect - they do lower wages.
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What's interesting about it? I can oppose illegal immigration and still point out when it's being bandied about for idiotic reasons.

There's this strange opinion in the WR that being against illegal immigration means that we shouldn't think before speaking. Just say "illegal immigrant" and we should grab the pitchforks regardless of what the underlying topic is?

Illegal immigration is one subject. Protecting the domestic labor market is a different subject. The impact of they intersect depends on what the priorities are. I can't be part of the unthinking mob that can't think beyond the words "illegal immigrant", lol. I'm against illegal immigration because of illegal immigration. But if the subject is "domestic labor protection and local economies", illegal immigration drops down the list in terms of priorities.

You guys are like lemmings. You fixate on a few key words and then stop paying attention to details. You're not interested in actually solving any issues beyond those key words. And because your fixation is so limited, you'll okay all sorts of bad policy so long as it's even tangentially related to the key word.

When I point this out and explain it in depth, your response isn't "No, illegal immigration is a bigger threat to the domestic labor pool than outsourced labor for the following reasons...". Your response is "Aren't you a Republican?"

Think about that for a minute - you expect me to just rubber stamp a bad argument because someone else with an "R" next to their name says so. There's no interest in evaluating the issue, just lemming like agreement so we can claim Republican bonafides.

But this is the difference between people who really care about issues vs. people who are just playing the identity politics game from the right side of the aisle instead of the left side.
 
panamaican said:
What's interesting about it? I can oppose illegal immigration and still point out when it's being bandied about for idiotic reasons.

There's this strange opinion in the WR that being against illegal immigration means that we shouldn't think before speaking. Just say "illegal immigrant" and we should grab the pitchforks regardless of what the underlying topic is?

Illegal immigration is one subject. Protecting the domestic labor market is a different subject. The impact of they intersect depends on what the priorities are. I can't be part of the unthinking mob that can't think beyond the words "illegal immigrant", lol. I'm against illegal immigration because of illegal immigration. But if the subject is "domestic labor protection and local economies", illegal immigration drops down the list in terms of priorities.

You guys are like lemmings. You fixate on a few key words and then stop paying attention to details. You're not interested in actually solving any issues beyond those key words. And because your fixation is so limited, you'll okay all sorts of bad policy so long as it's even tangentially related to the key word.

When I point this out and explain it in depth, your response isn't "No, illegal immigration is a bigger threat to the domestic labor pool than outsourced labor for the following reasons...". Your response is "Aren't you a Republican?"

Think about that for a minute - you expect me to just rubber stamp a bad argument because someone else with an "R" next to their name says so. There's no interest in evaluating the issue, just lemming like agreement so we can claim Republican bonafides.

But this is the difference between people who really care about issues vs. people who are just playing the identity politics game from the right side of the aisle instead of the left side.
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I only mention that you were supposedly a republucan because people generally think of them as standing for the rule of law - remember when I said you should have your congressman and senator address outsourcing?

I've never stated that illegal immigrants are the biggest detriment to local wages, but I do believe that one should follow the actual law; not excuse breaking it simply because retail or any other sector has an advantage over restaurants.

Hey, but I'm just a lemming because I dont believe in the ends justify the means or some other convoluted reason that you've created in your mind to explain why a conservative would err on the side of following the law.
 
The lowlife leftard scumbag TS always loves a chance to shit on the country. Especially with garbage like this.
 
Rational Poster said:
If we had efficient border policy it wouldn't matter what the minimum wage is because whoever crosses the border to work would be paid at the same standard as American workers.

Paying people off the books, undocumented or otherwise, is already illegal just rarely enforced.
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Idk what this thread is all about but I saw your 38,000 likes and round numbers bother me so I gave you a like.
 
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