“You Cannot Hire American Here”

Yeah, I think universal healthcare would probably provide a solution to that. It would probably lead to tighter regulations and such. There being a social safety net outside of the employer wouldn't pit employees against employers as much unless they were endangering the employees. It's almost like it's an employees only recourse so people exploit it.

the law is also absolutely terrible - my friends a worker’s compensation lawyer and he sees people riding out the system all their lives

work somewhere shortly
Claim injury - get all sorts of mental
Evaluations etc
Claim it’s from stress and you
Had Ed and a bunch of bs
Ride out the checks
 
That's a bullshit cop-out.

Strawberries sell for like $6/pound. A fruit picker can pick, what, like 10lbs an hour at a bare minimum?

So how is he not making $15/hour?

As usual, the problem here is government manipulation of the free market.
 
the law is also absolutely terrible - my friends a worker’s compensation lawyer and he sees people riding out the system all their lives

work somewhere shortly
Claim injury - get all sorts of mental
Evaluations etc
Claim it’s from stress and you
Had Ed and a bunch of bs
Ride out the checks
So many of the things that get pigeonholed into 'socialism' would actually lead to things that benefit small business owners and even larger business owners. The reason I think they are made to seem so terrible is solely to keep a non american labor force as the status quo. Which is why I find it so ironic that the same people that blame 'the left' and are afraid of losing their jobs to foreign labor vote against their own interests. A fence isn't going to stop people crossing the border for jobs if they are there waiting for them. If the incentives are in place to hire American though then those jobs will dry up for them and without the demand why cross the fence?
 
@Jack Stevonovich we have a healthcare system like you describe here in Canada and employers still abuse workers. Largely because of our Phillipeno slave system.
 
So many of the things that get pigeonholed into 'socialism' would actually lead to things that benefit small business owners and even larger business owners. The reason I think they are made to seem so terrible is solely to keep a non american labor force as the status quo. Which is why I find it so ironic that the same people that blame 'the left' and are afraid of losing their jobs to foreign labor vote against their own interests. A fence isn't going to stop people crossing the border for jobs if they are there waiting for them. If the incentives are in place to hire American though then those jobs will dry up for them and without the demand why cross the fence?

The Wall is a national security issue

you wouldn’t just open your door and just anyone in right? Some Vetting is surely required
 
The Wall is a national security issue

you wouldn’t just open your door and just anyone in right? Some Vetting is surely required
The problem is, by accounts I've heard, they build the fence higher and they just build taller ladders.

If you get rid of the demand then there is no incentive for the supply. Why build a ladder at all if there's no job for you?
 
The problem is, by accounts I've heard, they build the fence higher and they just build taller ladders.

If you get rid of the demand then there is no incentive for the supply. Why build a ladder at all if there's no job for you?

the notion of eliminating a black market is good but hasn’t been successful anywhere

walls work - it may not be perfect but it will stop a lot of efforts
 
the notion of eliminating a black market is good but hasn’t been successful anywhere

walls work - it may not be perfect but it will stop a lot of efforts
It just seems like a way to avoid addressing the issues that lead to them coming here in the first place.

The problem, as I see it. Is that both the Democratic Party and the Republicans have skin in the game of there being a non documented immigrant work force and both sides are just pandering to their contingencies desires to get elected without wanting to alter that in any real way.
 
It just seems like a way to avoid addressing the issues that lead to them coming here in the first place.

The problem, as I see it. Is that both the Democratic Party and the Republicans have skin in the game of there being a non documented immigrant work force and both sides are just pandering to their contingencies desires to get elected without wanting to alter that in any real way.

Tbh illegal labor isn’t really that much cheaper in la - they’re just much much harder workers

maybe if that chances you can get back to running your plumbing business

 
NPR has released an interesting series of articles interviewing business owners from across the country— oftentimes from very Republican places, such as Alabama or Tennessee— about why they employ undocumented workers.

The results are unsurprising: undocumented workers are willing to do jobs that American citizens aren’t, are sometimes willing to work for less or without benefits, and are often harder-working and more reliable.

The latest interview is with a Missouri restaurant owner who says quite frankly what would happen if she could not hire undocumented Mexicans to work in her kitchen for $11-16 per hour with no benefits: “We’d close. I’d sell everything for whatever I could get for it, and we’d close.”

When asked why she didn’t hire American, she was equally frank: “That is the biggest joke. I hear it all the time. We put ads in the newspaper, on Facebook, on Craigslist, in the window. The [American citizens] who come in will show up for one shift. They will not be clean. They will probably not be sober. They will ask for money at the end of the shift and not be back.”



Employers in virtually every field with a high population of undocumented workers— farm work, restaurants, landscaping, construction— give these same answers.

Why do so many people refuse to believe them?

The simple fact is, that much of the American economy, and all the goods and services that we are accustomed to at the prices we are accustomed to paying, is reliant on population of relatively low paid workers with no benefits.

Why on earth do we vilify these people?

$11 to $16 an hour?!?!
That's very high pay where I am from.
You cats are spoiled.

I don't care about business that can't make it without hiring Americans. Stop looking for city dope heads on welfare and illegals as workers or shut the doors.
 
Tbh illegal labor isn’t really that much cheaper in la - they’re just much much harder workers

maybe if that chances you can get back to running your plumbing business


yeah, they work harder. They have different expectations in general so it's often easier on the employer. You'd need subsidized labor to compete. There's a downside to them working harder though and that's them building up injuries over time so they become a liability. If they've always worked hard then they arrive injured by the time they begin working so they feel entitled to something and that falls on their next employer. Injury prevention is cheaper on the whole but that requires more laborers and to be financially viable to the employers only subsidized employees seems to be the real solution I see to that. It just makes sense. Universal Basic Income and universal healthcare seem like it would work for that and since everyone gets it even the poor and employed have enough to sustain themselves while they train for a new job.

At a certain point automation is going to change everything too and at that point I don't really see there being any way around universal basic income and healthcare. It just makes sense to build the infrastructure for that the sooner the better.
 
I was born in America and I'm on the same level as these guys when it comes to finding jobs or getting overall help. Birth Place don't matter.
 
Only the dummies with 0 business experience don’t believe this..
Most everyone who has ever tried to successfully start and run their own business knows that if you did everything by the book, you would be gone before you got out of the gate..
 
And if Republicans actually gave a crap about illegal immigration, they'd go after the business the employ illegals rather than building walls bullshit.
 
This is just like Trump at Mar-a-Lago only wanting to hire illegal immigrants because they can stay on site 24-7 in slave quarters. Murcan workers have the freedom to come and go as they please which is why they dont get hired.

And guarantee these business owners are all right-wing and support immigration so they can run their zhitty businesses, then their party makes up a fantasy that the left wants all these immigrants for 'votes'. Then the right-wing rubes eat this up and cant see the business owners are the ones replacing them.
Yes, bc only right wing people own businesses in states with high illegal immigrant numbers...

Oh wait, restaurants exist
 
Big tech hires Indian engineers over Americans not because they're better, but because they're less likely to be headhunted by other companies due to visa headaches.
 
Wow is this part of the captain obvious shows?

Next is people try to get lower APR's so they can pay less on credit card bills and loans.
 
That's a bullshit cop-out.

Strawberries sell for like $6/pound. A fruit picker can pick, what, like 10lbs an hour at a bare minimum?

So how is he not making $15/hour?

As usual, the problem here is government manipulation of the free market.
did this guy get banned for never having seen a strawberry?
 
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