Opinion “Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism"

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  1. IngaVovchanchyn

    IngaVovchanchyn Titanium Belt Platinum Member

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    We don't live in such a time. Russia and the US have been engaged in a low grade proxy war in Syria, the US has been putting the squeeze on Russian allies in Iran, and the US has been pushing NATO members to beef up their militaries.

    Compared to the Cold War, it's downright friendly, but by no reasonable measure are the two nations "cuddling".
     
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  2. NoDak

    NoDak Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Yeah, it's been real cuddly. Lol.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/...trump-and-putin-are-locked-in-a-macho-contest

    It includes the early appointments of Russia hawks such as UN representative Nikki Haley and CIA director Pompeo; the first ever U.S. missile strike on Putin ally Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's military installation in April 2017; the abrupt closure of three Russian diplomatic facilities in the U.S. in late August (which Russia accurately described as "blatantly hostile"); the decision to send lethal weapons to Ukraine in December; a deadly counterattack on a group of Russian mercenaries in Syria in February.

    A column Wednesday by The Intercept's Glenn Greenwald, who like me has long disagreed with the "Trump is a Russian puppet" narrative, contains a slightly different list of the Trump administration's anti-Kremlin actions.

    The more recent moves -- the biggest ever expulsion of Russian diplomats from the U.S. following the poisoning in the U.K. of a former Russian double agent, the harshest ever sanctions imposed on a Russian billionaire (aluminum tycoon Oleg Deripaska), fresh anti-Russian appointments (Pompeo's move to State and John Bolton's elevation to national security adviser) -- merely continue this line of actions. They constitute an escalation but not a policy shift.

    Pompeo was referring to "years of soft policy" on Russia under President Obama, which ended with Trump's election. And indeed, Obama pointedly rejected all the hostile actions that Trump has taken -- except hawkish appointments, which only led to the appointees' frustration. Pompeo's "now" is the Trump presidency itself.

    The anti-Kremlin tenor of Trump's presidency is often written down to the Republican establishment's influence, to the advice of "grown men" in the administration. But, as my Bloomberg View colleague Tim O'Brien, an eminent Trump expert, has written, Trump rarely seeks advice or heeds it if it's volunteered anyhow; his Russian policy hasn't been imposed from outside.

    Oh, it would also be nice if Germany pumps the brakes on Nord Stream II.
     
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    You guys really need to start leaving your domestic partisanship shit at the door when it comes to geopolitics. We are ONE fucking country, start acting like it.

    https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/in...-changes-course-on-u-s-gas-imports-1540209647

    BERLIN—Chancellor Angela Merkel has offered government support to efforts to open up Germany to U.S. gas, a key concession to President Trump as he tries to loosen Russia’s grip on Europe’s largest energy market.

    Over breakfast this month, the chancellor told a small group of lawmakers her government had decided to co-finance the construction of a €500 million ($576 million) liquefied natural gas shipping terminal in northern Germany, according to people familiar with the meeting, giving a crucial nudge to a project that had failed to get off the ground for years in a country that gets most of its gas cheaply from Russia.

    Mr. Trump has intensively lobbied Europe to buy significant amounts of LNG as part of his campaign to rewrite the terms of trade relations. German and U.S. officials said Berlin hoped embracing U.S. gas might help solve a protracted trade dispute and possibly even defuse threats by Washington to sanction Nord Stream 2, an unbuilt German-Russian gas pipeline that would double Russia’s existing gas export capacity to Germany.
     
  4. dontsnitch

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    Trump said he's a Nationalist so it's obviously bad. If he had said he's a patriot, people would find something wrong with that as well like they've done the last three years.

    Trump ran on a Nationalist platform. Good on him for keeping true.
     
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  5. gassius_clay

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    Only racist could be a patriot of country found on racism. <TheDonald>
     
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  6. Bald1

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    Wouldn't globalism or open borders be the opposites of patriotism?
     
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    That's exactly what the money has turned both parties into.. Favor tgexsystem that makes the super rich richer, and favor the social decay that leaves real men to weak to speak up.
     
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    That's the plan.
     
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    Why does it matter? Some dictionaries say nationalism is patriotism, so there.
    If you hate Trump then you agree with the frog.
     
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    Lol, last I heard France is still selling weapons to Saudi Arabia.

    Someone should tell Macron to shut his hypocrite mouth.
     
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    Which is why I inserted 'would'. Maybe you would like to reevaluate :)
     
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    This is literally the ethos of the know nothing movement. Christ, in the 21st century. All this melting pot shit must've been a ruse.
     
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    So is his best friend turdo
     
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    Macron is left now?

    <{katwhu}>
     
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    toutadixballes Playing touch butt in a park

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    @gassius_clay Don't know if you're trolling, if not, your lack of political culture is disturbing.
     
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    Fixed for accuracy. <Goldie11>
     
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  18. JDragon

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    Please name your counter-proposal.
     
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    The leader of the free world will be the sitting US president for the foreseeable future. You not liking him changes nothing. Lmfao at calling a Frenchmam leader of the free world
     
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