Social ‘We Are Losing Sovereignty’: How Mexico’s Failures Imperil the US

- I did another thread about meth traffic in Mexico. How they transitione from several continents. They dont have just mexican or american politics at their pokets.

The demand is largely in the US. The means of production is largely in Mexico. The resources dont need to be, and having the US as anything basically guarantees global reach if you're at it long enough.

But this thread reminds me of this scene in an old movie where a smart drug dealer made an appeal to the US Government:



Those were supposed to be Colombians, I believe. But a cartel is a cartel.

And of course the CIA ended up betrayed that guy and tipped off the head of the cartel. Lol
 
Sure but their market IS the drug black market. Bringing that market into regulatory power would be.a huge step to deflating their influence because then tons of other corporations with more resources would come into a now legal market.

I would had agreed with you 10+ years ago, but its clear now that Cartels won't simply stop if drugs are legalized, they have branched out so much and infiltrated politicians and military.

At this point only strong pressure from the US, in the style of Reagan's admin with Camarena would fix the issue, but America is so divided that Mexicans politicians feel untouchable.
 
What?


We saw how well he closed the border from 2016 to 2020.

Its funny how people still believe in Trump when he literally commanded his army of drones to kill an immigration bill because it would hurt his reelection campaign.

"Mexico’s president said Thursday that the country’s violent criminal gangs and drug cartels are essentially “respectful people” who “respect the citizenry” and mostly just kill each other."

You think he is going to do anything about the problem.

As far as creepy Joe he has made the problem worse. He and the democrats are open border in all but name.

Trump started but sure didn't finish it of course the democrats fought him at every turn. He still should have done more. If he did nothing then why did creepy Joe kill 91 of Trumps executive orders to open the border again.

The bill was a shitty one that did nothing to close the border .

Creepy Joe could have let Trumps orders stand and now could issue his own orders to help slow the flow.
 
"Mexico’s president said Thursday that the country’s violent criminal gangs and drug cartels are essentially “respectful people” who “respect the citizenry” and mostly just kill each other."

You think he is going to do anything about the problem.

This president?


Trump started but sure didn't finish it of course the democrats fought him at every turn. He still should have done more. If he did nothing then why did creepy Joe kill 91 of Trumps executive orders to open the border again.

The bill was a shitty one that did nothing to close the border .

Creepy Joe could have let Trumps orders stand and now could issue his own orders to help slow the flow.
The bill was not going to close the border, but would help a lot to control immigration.

Also what the fuck is Creepy Joe? you sound like a bot.
 
This president?



The bill was not going to close the border, but would help a lot to control immigration.

Also what the fuck is Creepy Joe? you sound like a bot.

The one that I quoted that respects the drug lords.

It was a shit bill it did not control border.
 
same president

Bill was endorsed by Border Patrol

Then you know the answer.

Don't care it was still shit because it didn't address the overwhelming problem which is controlling the border.
 
same president

Bill was endorsed by Border Patrol

Border patrol endorsed a pay raise?

Shocker. The union statement was just as critical of the bill but ultimately it’s more money in their pocket to deal with the same bullshit.

The bill encodes a set flow of illegal immigration before the executive could legally “close the border”..but even then it’s still up to the President and we know the Biden admin is controlled by advocates.

It set up no significant deportation programs.

5000 per day. Thats crisis level under a normal presidency. If it’s misinterpreted they should’ve removed it all together but that’s their loophole.

The correct number is 0. A nation should always command its borders and decide when anything get in…and no, blocking off immigrants does NOT significantly affect trade. People who bring up the “oh you can’t just close the border what about trade hurdur” are no more slick than people who bring up traffic lights when debating people who support limited government.

We aren’t looking to better “manage” processing or make what is illegal legal. Thats what the “negotiators” of the deal didn’t consider. The Lankfords and McConnell operate under the Bush era assumption that these people are welcome but it just needs to be “managed”. Thats incorrect.

Not to mention all the other pull factors like work permits and of course the sanctuary city bail out which are non starters

Less immigration was never a priority and it must be for there to ever be reform.
 
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Then you know the answer.

Don't care it was still shit because it didn't address the overwhelming problem which is controlling the border.

Why didn't Trump addressed the overwhelming problem then? had 4 years for it.
 
Border patrol endorsed a pay raise?

Shocker. The union statement was just as critical of the bill but ultimately it’s more money in their pocket to deal with the same bullshit.

The bill encodes a set flow of illegal immigration before the executive could legally “close the border”..but even then it’s still up to the President and we know the Biden admin is controlled by advocates.

It set up no significant deportation programs.

5000 per day. Thats crisis level under a normal presidency. If it’s misinterpreted they should’ve removed it all together but that’s their loophole.

The correct number is 0. A nation should always command its borders and decide when anything get in…and no, blocking off immigrants does NOT significantly affect trade. People who bring up the “oh you can’t just close the border what about trade hurdur” are no more slick than people who bring up traffic lights when debating people who support limited government.

We aren’t looking to better “manage” processing or make what is illegal legal. Thats what the “negotiators” of the deal didn’t consider. The Lankfords and McConnell operate under the Bush era assumption that these people are welcome but it just needs to be “managed”. Thats incorrect.

Not to mention all the other pull factors like work permits and of course the sanctuary city bail out which are non starters

Less immigration was never a priority and it must be for there to ever be reform.

Bill wasn't perfect but

a) Was better than anything Trump did in his presidency which is nothing

b) Better than doing nothing.

c) If Bill was shit and wouldn't work, why did Trump specifically mentioned it needed to wait until after he is elected?
 
Why didn't Trump addressed the overwhelming problem then? had 4 years for it.

He made something like 91 executive orders to help the border situation. All of theses creep Joe (Biden) reversed.
 
Bill wasn't perfect but

a) Was better than anything Trump did in his presidency which is nothing

b) Better than doing nothing.

c) If Bill was shit and wouldn't work, why did Trump specifically mentioned it needed to wait until after he is elected?

A and B. Trump did not do nothing on the border. Granted, legislation is better at enduring power swings but Trump paved the way the control flows without congress and many of them have passed court challenges so they can quickly be reimplemented. They also had proposed legislative reform that didn’t pass. Similar to every President of the last near 40 years.

Remain in Mexico was absolutely effective policy. The deals he made through Mexico and CA were working in the second half of his term. Admittedly, the first couple of years were rough but not for lack of trying.

Remain in Mexico will return and Mexico whether dealing with AMLO or incoming Hyman Roth, Mexico doesn’t truly have a say unless a weak president empowers them with one. Like Biden.

The numbers more than reflect who was more effective on immigration. It’s not really up for debate.


As for C. I would appreciate some sauce with that. Trump has said immigration reform should wait until he’s president. I do not believe Trump has said that particular bill should wait for his presidency. He didn’t have anything good to say about that bill. I’d imagine anything that suggest he endorsed that bill for himself was wildly misinterpreted if not him not being clear. His immigration proposals are radically different from the Lankford surrender.
 

DEA’s Emphasis on Defeating Cartels Oversimplifies Fentanyl Industry​

by Marley Markham

The Drug Enforcement Administration’s “National Drug Threat Assessment 2024” presents Mexican cartels as the hegemonic force behind the United States’ deadly fentanyl crisis. But this analysis overlooks the complex nature and other operators in the fentanyl industry, as well as the vast global supply network behind the drug’s production, transportation, and distribution.
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The DEA report highlights fentanyl as the “deadliest drug threat the United States has ever faced, killing nearly 38,000 Americans in the first six months of 2023 alone.”

The Sinaloa Cartel and Jalisco Cartel New Generation (Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generación – CJNG) are “primarily responsible for driving the current fentanyl epidemic,” according to the report. Entire chapters are dedicated to each group respectively, crediting them with control over the procurement and trafficking of fentanyl and blaming social media for the expansion of their operations in the United States.

In line with this analysis, the DEA makes it their top priority to “relentlessly pursue and defeat the two Mexican cartels,” and has created three cross-agency, counter-threat teams to dismantle their networks.

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InSight Crime Analysis​

Focusing on defeating criminal organizations in Mexico to address the fentanyl crisis is a necessary part of the United States’ anti-narcotics operations. But it is just one response needed to address a more complex, multi-layered problem.

In fact, Mexican cartels are only one piece of a much larger, more nuanced network behind the production, transportation, and distribution of illicit fentanyl. As highlighted by InSight Crime in previous investigations, the fentanyl industry relies on a multi-layered global industry of legal and illegal actors.
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The fentanyl trade begins with chemical companies operating in legal and illegal spheres, mostly based in China and India, who export the various chemicals used in the production of synthetic drugs to Mexico. Independent brokers facilitate these transactions, which are often masked by the use of cryptocurrency.

Once in Mexico, many independent and semi-independent producers and “cooks” synthesize fentanyl, which is then laced into counterfeit pills or other drugs. These producers sell the product wholesale to various transport networks in Mexico, including those associated with organizations like the Sinaloa Cartel and the CJNG.
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Ben Westhoff, the author of “Fentanyl Inc.: How Rogue Chemists are Creating the Deadliest Wave of the Opioid Epidemic,” told InSight Crime these organizations are at the “epicenter” of the illicit trade, and make the vast majority of the profits trafficking the drug. However, he added, “Even if we managed to curtail the cartels’ activity, fentanyl would still come from other places.”
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Those other places include a huge number of smaller players up and down the distribution chain. Given the massive and mostly legal foundation of the trade – a multi-billion-dollar chemical industry – the barriers to entry are minimal. Evidence of this is the rapid way in which prices for fentanyl have bottomed out in the US in less than a decade.
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In sum, focusing solely on Mexican criminal organizations overlooks the broader challenges posed by the industry.
https://insightcrime.org/news/dea-emphasis-defeating-cartels-oversimplifies-fentanyl-industry/
 
A and B. Trump did not do nothing on the border. Granted, legislation is better at enduring power swings but Trump paved the way the control flows without congress and many of them have passed court challenges so they can quickly be reimplemented. They also had proposed legislative reform that didn’t pass. Similar to every President of the last near 40 years.
He didn't proposed anything during the times he controlled he House and Senate.

Very easy to propose stuff you know opposition will not pass.

Remain in Mexico was absolutely effective policy. The deals he made through Mexico and CA were working in the second half of his term. Admittedly, the first couple of years were rough but not for lack of trying.

Remain in Mexico will return and Mexico whether dealing with AMLO or incoming Hyman Roth, Mexico doesn’t truly have a say unless a weak president empowers them with one. Like Biden.
Remain in Mexico is still a thing.

Also Trump literally released the head honcho of the Mexican Military who was helping drug lords move drugs to America in exchange of Mexican cooperation, you are correct though, Mexican politicians see America as weak because they know Republicans will outright sabotage America when they are not in power.


The numbers more than reflect who was more effective on immigration. It’s not really up for debate.
COVID did more than Trump ever did to lower migration.

As for C. I would appreciate some sauce with that. Trump has said immigration reform should wait until he’s president. I do not believe Trump has said that particular bill should wait for his presidency. He didn’t have anything good to say about that bill. I’d imagine anything that suggest he endorsed that bill for himself was wildly misinterpreted if not him not being clear. His immigration proposals are radically different from the Lankford surrender.
He won't pass shit, he will most likely just strike a deal with Mexico, so Mexico will send its National Guard to go and beat up immigrants while America ignores Mexican corruption.
 
Why EOs instead of law?

Because the democrats fought it.

However I will say Trump and the Republicans sure could have done a lot more a lot better.

One thing the Republicans are weak on is making e verify required for every business with huge fines for hiring any illegal.
 
The reason I heard from folks I know from Michocan and Baja is they won't eliminate the cartels because they are so intertwined now in the Mexican economy if they did label them.as terrorists and go all out to eliminate them the economy would collapse. No idea if that's valid but they seem to believe it.
 
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