There should be more great Christmas movies

Yeah I've wondered the same tbh.

I also watch the same Christmas animations every year too lol (olive, the flintstones, Rudolph, frosty, Robbie the reindeer hooves of fire, etc). They keep pumping new ones out every year but how come none of them stick like frosty and Rudolph? Is it bc they're popular stories, or so popular bc of nostalgia? Do new ones just suck lol?
 
Die Hard
Gremlins
Blackadder's Christmas Carol

Those are my 3 that do the rounds every year.
Already got my gremlins in this year. I really want a mogwai ):
 
Oh you guys could watch the original Black Christmas. It's not a bad movie, and the actress is cute. And the creepy guy is creepy. And there's carollers for your Christmas needs.
 
Indeed. I would disagree about Fred Claus and would certainly disagree about Deck the Halls, but as you say it all comes down to what people like.

Personally, I'd like one a year though. One legitimately solid, entertaining, re-watchable Christmas movie per year (averaged out). I'd be satisfied with that.

How many movies per year in total do you find to be solid, entertaining and re-watchable?
 
@shadow_priest_x

I suppose I would ask you, as an aspiring filmmaker and active script writer, and someone who wants more Christmas content, what do you have to say about Christmas in movie form that hasn't been said?

If you were commissioned to make a "Christmas movie" and trusted to just do your thing with a cast and crew, would you have something to say, or would you be sitting in front of the typewriter like Jack Nicholson in The Shining trying to think of something worth saying?

I don't know if there are a lot of good or original Christmas scripts floating around that should be getting made but aren't. I personally can't think of anything new about Christmas that isn't already said by the movies that are out there, and probably better said already than they would be if expressed in another remake or reboot.

So if someone is commissioned to have a "Christmas movie" ready for a November / December release, come hell or high water, are they going to produce something for the ages, or will it end up being just more forgettable, disposable material that isn't making the cut for your list of good Christmas movies.

I think the Hallmark Channel alone pumps out about a dozen made-for-TV Christmas movies a year, and they round up the usual suspects like Shelley Long or Tiffani Amber Thiessen or Candace Cameron or Henry Winkler or Jason Gedrick, but how many A-list actors at the height of their careers or top directors are chomping at the bit to do a Christmas movie? At a minimum, that would take an inspired script, and that comes back to the question...what is left to be said?

Bill Murray and Richard Donner teamed up for Scrooged at the height of their careers, and an updating of A Christmas Carol was a great idea. Murray was the perfect actor for it (there really isn't a counterpart today to 1980s Bill Murray) and it was an inspired adaptation. I'd probably say the best modernized film adaptation of any classic, at least offhand.

But there's nothing new to add there, really. There are only so many ways to skin a cat when it comes to A Christmas Carol. What's left, add selfies and Facebook? And there may only be so many inspired ways to skin a cat when it comes to Christmas movies in general. It's a pretty specific genre, much narrower than "comedy" or "romantic comedy" or "action."

To keep the production line running at a similar pace to those genres, you end up with all of these Hallmark movies that most people probably have never heard of.

Al Pacino tries to singlehandedly revive Shakespeare every five or ten years. And for a while, it seemed like every five years, the best actors in Hollywood came together to remake Hamlet...and nobody really gave a crap.

1990: Mel Gibson, Ian Holm, Glenn Close, etc.
1996: Kenneth Branagh, Julie Christie, Judi Dench, etc.
2000: Ethan Hawke, Bill Murray, Liev Schreiber, etc.

Continuing versions on TV etc... The Shakespeare enthusiasts all check it out and everybody else shrugs. Unless someone is dying to see the intricate differences in how the most familiar lines are delivered by different actors...it's just more Hamlet to most people.

Unless someone has a vision that they want to see through, then chances are what will end up on the screen is "just more Christmas."

You say you want more re-watchable Christmas movies, something you would load up every year or two during the Holidays and revisit, the way people do now with Love Actually and A Christmas Story and Elf...

But what would you like to see... What would you like to say about Christmas, or would it be something that's already been said? Would you just end up pumping out an ultra-formulaic by-the-numbers "Christmas script" or, worse yet, an ultra-cynical Christmasy cash-grab-reboot?

I honestly don't know if I've seen anything more cynical in the last while than the trailer for Office Christmas Party. It's like it was developed by some kind of studio profit maximizing A.I. "Intersperse jokes X, Y, and Z (probably puking, farting and pratfalls) that people like in setting and scenario that matches the current time of year for maximum additional holiday-related revenue. Plug in Jason Bateman and Jennifer Aniston and at least one of the trending overweight female comedians."
 
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Oh, and Batman Returns is also good for holiday viewing. And viewing in general. Dat cat suit.
 
I've heard Arthur Christmas was alright. Never seen it myself though.
 
@shadow_priest_x

I suppose I would ask you, as an aspiring filmmaker and active script writer, and someone who wants more Christmas content, what do you have to say about Christmas in movie form that hasn't been said?

If you were commissioned to make a "Christmas movie" and trusted to just do your thing with a cast and crew, would you have something to say, or would you be sitting in front of the typewriter like Jack Nicholson in The Shining trying to think of something worth saying?

I don't know if there are a lot of good or original Christmas scripts floating around that should be getting made but aren't. I personally can't think of anything new about Christmas that isn't already said by the movies that are out there, and probably better said already than they would be if expressed in another remake or reboot.

So if someone is commissioned to have a "Christmas movie" ready for a November release, come hell or high water, are they going to produce something for the ages, or will it end up being just more forgettable, disposable material that isn't making the cut for your list of good Christmas movies.

I think the Hallmark Channel alone pumps out about a dozen made-for-TV Christmas movies a year, and they round up the usual suspects like Shelley Long or Tiffani Amber Thiessen or Candace Cameron or Henry Winkler or Jason Gedrick, but how many A-list actors at the height of their careers or top directors are chomping at the bit to do a Christmas movie? At a minimum, that would take an inspired script, and that comes back to the question...what is left to be said?

Bill Murray and Richard Donner teamed up for Scrooged at the height of their careers, and an updating of A Christmas Carol was a great idea. Murray was the perfect actor for it (there really isn't a counterpart today to 1980s Bill Murray) and it was an inspired adaptation. I'd probably say the best modernized film adaptation of any classic, at least offhand.

But there's nothing new to add there, really. There are only so many ways to skin a cat when it comes to A Christmas Carol. What's left, add selfies and Facebook? And there may only be so many inspired ways to skin a cat when it comes to Christmas movies in general. It's a pretty specific genre, much narrower than "comedy" or "romantic comedy" or "action."

To keep the production line running at a similar pace to those genres, you end up with all of these Hallmark movies that most people probably have never heard of.

Al Pacino tries to singlehandedly revive Shakespeare every five or ten years. And for a while, it seemed like every five years, the best actors in Hollywood came together to remake Hamlet...and nobody really gave a crap.

1990: Mel Gibson, Ian Holm, Glenn Close, etc.
1996: Kenneth Branagh, Julie Christie, Judi Dench, etc.
2000: Ethan Hawke, Bill Murray, Liev Schreiber, etc.

Continuing versions on TV etc... The Shakespeare enthusiasts all check it out and everybody else shrugs. Unless someone is dying to see the intricate differences in how the most familiar lines are delivered by different actors...it's just more Hamlet to most people.

Unless someone has a vision that they want to see through, then chances are what will end up on the screen is "just more Christmas."

You say you want more re-watchable Christmas movies, something you would load up every year or two during the Holidays and revisit, the way people do now with Love Actually and A Christmas Story and Elf...

But what would you like to see... What would you like to say about Christmas, or would it be something that's already been said? Would you just end up pumping out an ultra-formulaic by-the-numbers "Christmas script" or, worse yet, an ultra-cynical Christmasy cash-grab-reboot?

I honestly don't know if I've seen anything more cynical in the last while than the trailer for Office Christmas Party. It's like it was developed by some kind of studio profit maximizing A.I. "Intersperse jokes X, Y, and Z (probably puking, farting and pratfalls) that people like in setting and scenario that matches the current time of year for maximum additional holiday-related revenue. Plug in Jason Bateman and Jennifer Aniston and at least one of the trending overweight female comedians."

Well I have a few things to say here. . .

First, while the Christmas genre may be very specific, you act as if it's not a convention of genre fiction in general to return to formula on a regular basis. I'd even say that at least in certain genres, like fantasy for instance, or underdog sports movies, certain formulaic elements are not only expected but virtually demanded by the audience. To go with the latter example, they want to experience that moment when the underdog who seemed like he never really had a shot is actually down and out . . . all hope is lost . . . only for him to find his inner reserves of strength in his darkest hour and come back to win. So just because it's been done before doesn't mean it never should be done again. It just needs to be done in a way that is different enough to justify the existence of the new story.

Second, you asked, "I suppose I would ask you, as an aspiring filmmaker and active script writer, and someone who wants more Christmas content, what do you have to say about Christmas in movie form that hasn't been said?"

It's funny you ask that, because I think I do. In fact, a few years ago--maybe five years now--I wrote a Christmas story that I went so far as to put into the hands of a literary agent who specializes in Children's literature, with the thought that it could be turned into a children's book. I was thinking something along the lines of The Polar Express--not so much in terms of the actual narrative, but in terms of the tone and feel (though there were some narrative similarities). That whole thing with the agent didn't end up going anywhere, but I still have the idea and think that, with a bit of fleshing out, it could be turned into a good script for a Christmas family film. I'll PM you if you want to know more about that and we can talk privately.

But I do want to offer a more general response to your question of: What more can the genre offer?

Here's just one idea that immediately springs to mind:
  • The legend of St. Nicholas could be explored more. You could do what is essentially a Santa Claus origin story. Pull from both history and myth to explore St. Nick's early years and his supernatural transformation into the jolly fat man in red. Pretty sure there's even a sequel there - Santa Claus: Year One (a film that would be very different from that shitty Tim Allen movie). Or you could combine the two into one film, with the first half telling the story of St. Nick while he was just a man, and the second half telling the story of a post-transformation St. Nick--Santa Claus--and his first year on the job (again, different in tone and feel from the campy Tim Allen movie).
That may or may not be a film that YOU would want to see, but I think if done well it could be very interesting and a great family film. And I'm sure that with more time I could come up with more ideas.

But let's just take a look at one of the movies I referenced earlier: Elf. By any measure, Elf was a very original movie and it remains unlike any other holiday film that I can think of. How many people, before Elf's release, asked exactly what you're asking right now about what originality is left? Plenty, I'm sure, but then Elf--this bastion of creativity and free-thinking--is released and shows everyone that there are still creative stories to tell. Do you really not think that there are other original ideas out there? New ways to tell fun stories about this ancient holiday? I have no doubt that there are, it's just going to require the right minds to come up with them.

You also asked, "How many A-list actors at the height of their careers or top directors are chomping at the bit to do a Christmas movie?"

Well, I dunno. With the right script, I would think plenty. Think about the names of directors and stars that were attached to some of the films that have been mentioned: Elf, The Polar Express, Four Christmases, Bad Santa, Love Actually, A Christmas Carol (2009), Scrooged, The Family Man. . . You mention the Hallmark movies and how they always get C-list names. Yeah, they do, but that's because the scripts are pieces of shit. Write a good script like the aforementioned films had and clearly the talent will follow.

So no, I don't think the subject is exhausted. Christmas movies have been produced for over 100 years and each decade has given us a handful of new films about the holiday that were fun to watch, so what reason is there to think that NOW it's over and there's no more good stories to tell? What is so special about this moment in history?
 
Yeah I've wondered the same tbh.

I also watch the same Christmas animations every year too lol (olive, the flintstones, Rudolph, frosty, Robbie the reindeer hooves of fire, etc). They keep pumping new ones out every year but how come none of them stick like frosty and Rudolph? Is it bc they're popular stories, or so popular bc of nostalgia? Do new ones just suck lol?

Billy and Mandy Save Christmas should be added to that list. The animated GOAT imo.
 
Eyes wide shut. Case closed.
 


I actually watched that just last year for the first time since I was a kid. It held up better than I expected.

Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I actually made a thread about it. . .
 
I actually watched that just last year for the first time since I was a kid. It held up better than I expected.

Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I actually made a thread about it. . .
I watch them every once in awhile and they hold up decent, they're at least good for a chuckle or two.
 
Someone asked me the other night what my favorite Christmas movie was, and I couldn't name a single one. If I absolutely had to pick one I'd go with National Lampoon but it's not something I go out of my way to see so much as something that just has lots of funny bits.
 
Someone asked me the other night what my favorite Christmas movie was, and I couldn't name a single one. If I absolutely had to pick one I'd go with National Lampoon but it's not something I go out of my way to see so much as something that just has lots of funny bits.

I have a whole list of them that I watch every year. 'Tis the season. . .
 
There is something very heart warming and holiday spirit-y about hardcore gay porn. If you agree with that you'll have plenty of viewing materials this Christmas.
 
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