So who exactly is Tony Ferguson's best win again?

[MileHigher]

RDA is a great win, but staph or not Kevin Lee is his best win imo. Lee is a monster, like him or not.

 

[Joseph_McBride]

RDA or Lee. Barboza & Pettis are very solid too

 

[youllneverwalkalone]

And What´s Kevin Lee best win? Chiesa?

Barboza obviously. What exactly is your problem anyway?

 

[Marc A]

Khabib's sub defense is proven at world level in pure BJJ matches,.

Can you list what world level pure BJJ matches Khabib competed in?

 

[0verlord]

Please explain to me what you think BJJ is. The way you speak about RNCs implies that you think slapping submissions on people is the be-all and end-all when it comes to BJJ, which is far from the truth. Khabib doesn't really train BJJ, but he has much more experience in submission grappling than Ferguson due to his Sambo training, MUCH more. If Khabib was a BJJ noob who was easy to sub, if he was really just a wrestler like Tibau or Lee, he would never have this on his record

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Do you know when this happened? 2012 - back when Tony was just a purple belt. Khabib has technically gone up against world level BJJ grapplers without being able to use his GnP, his sub defense is proven on a level far above anyone Ferguson has ever subbed. None of the people Ferguson has subbed have any kind of submission grappling or BJJ accolades, literally none. The only decorated BJJ fighter Ferguson has beaten was RDA and he preferred not to risk trying to grapple with RDA. Smart move, considering how good RDA's BJJ is. To say that Ferguson is going to sub Khabib because he subbed Barboza or Lee is dumb.

When Khabib faces Tony, not only will he be the superior pure grappler, but he will also be the superior MMA grappler, because his wrestling, sub defense and GnP are on a level far above anything Ferguson has ever faced.

EDIT: oh, and even though you said that this is going to be more than a grappling match, the outcome of the fight is going to be decided on the ground, because Tony doesn't have the TDD to stuff Khabib's takedowns.

I'm talking talking about the majority of Khabib's submissions in the UFC which are RNCs. I giggle at the mention of Khabib's BJJ accolades, like why doesn't he go for the scrambles if he's got so much mojo? Same reason Tony didn't bother to go to the ground with RDA. If you think Tony should be worried about Khabib having gone up against guys who can't punch, fine, but at least he's got infinite setups for d'Arces. The "decorated BJJ fighter having a lot of subs" myth in modern UFC is pretty obvious, bar Werdum and Ortega. Looks at guys like Jones and Pettis who've subbed way better BJJ fighters. Anyway, that's the superfluous stuff. The fight will be won on cardio and Khabib won't keep up with Tony's. Add to that everything the latter will bring to this fight, whether Khabib gets to do his usual stuff or not(because Tony will be super offensive in defense) and the result is crystal clear to me.

 

[0verlord]

And Khabib is not Lee who is going to give up and gas after easily mounting Tony in the first round.

I have never seen Khabib not be able to keep up with anyones striking at any point of any fight, and he's faced better strikers than Tony.

Khabib will be able to dictate where the fight goes from beginning to end which is why he's the betting favorite every time.

Oh Khabib never slowed down before? Pls watch the Iaquinta and Conor fights again. I know you're gonna tell me that they lost and were dominated but they were 3 times more tired than him that's why. Don't forget he's going up against the best cardio in the business. I will say it again. This fight ends in the 4th. Ready the Kleenex and nappies.

 

[0verlord]

It sure will when his chin doesn't hold up anymore. He will look like a mediocre fighter and people will say "but in his prime he was so skilled" which yes he is very skilled in certain aspects but there is defintely a gap between his skill level and his competition he just closes that gap with physical attributes one of which he arguably didn't even work for.

lmao his style of fighting is pure art you dumbass. Only Jones prolly is more talented.

 

[flyingoctoplata]

Oh Khabib never slowed down before? Pls watch the Iaquinta and Conor fights again. I know you're gonna tell me that they lost and were dominated but they were 3 times more tired than him that's why. Don't forget he's going up against the best cardio in the business. I will say it again. This fight ends in the 4th. Ready the Kleenex and nappies.

lol nobody has hurt Khabib much less finish him. How did those fights end?

Khabib didn't look like he slowed at all in rounds 5 against Al when he took him down and smeshed and round 4 with Conor when he finished him and then swan dived into the crowd.

He took a couple rounds striking against Iaquinta an the 3rd against Conor only to come back and steam roll him in the 4th. He held his own striking in all of those rounds. He's a smart fighter who understands pace.

 

[0verlord]

lol nobody has hurt Khabib much less finish him. How did those fights end?

Khabib didn't look like he slowed at all in rounds 5 against Al when he took him down and smeshed and round 4 with Conor when he finished him and then swan dived into the crowd.

He took a couple rounds striking against Iaquinta an the 3rd against Conor only to come back and steam roll him in the 4th. He held his own striking in all of those rounds. He's a smart fighter who understands pace.

You're speaking the same gibberish as if you didn't read my reply. Yeah he won but he visibly slowed down in both fights, failing at least 5 takedowns vs Al and losing the 3rd vs Conor. Their cardio was even more shit that's one of the reasons they lost but of course not the only one. I've said it like twice now. Conversely Tony fought a 5-round battle vs RDA in Mexico City and got even more crazy in the later rounds while the whole card gassed out. It's ridiculous that you're now asking "how did those fights end" when you couldn't answer when I asked you the same before. If you're trying to use my ex-girlfriends' arguing tactics on a fight forum during holiday season then something's not right bruh.

 

[Robbie b]

Pettit, Lee, Dos Anjos, Barbosa, and Thompson are all great names. He does have some losses from earlier in his career but I would argue that he has improved greatly through his career and I would actually favor him over Khabib right now.

 

[Chris Hansen]

He has a better record than khabib & did better against barboza.

Nice try though

 

[TapMachine]

Can you list what world level pure BJJ matches Khabib competed in?

I already did in my post, the fact that you're too stupid to understand this is not my problem. Spoonfeeding clowns like you who know nothing of fighter backgrounds is not my job.

I'm talking talking about the majority of Khabib's submissions in the UFC which are RNCs. I giggle at the mention of Khabib's BJJ accolades, like why doesn't he go for the scrambles if he's got so much mojo?

At this point you're just spouting random words you don't even understand. Khabib doesn't "go for scrambles"? So what you're saying is that Khabib does not fight for position continuously against guys who are successfully trying to escape from inferior positions while being on the ground with Khabib? Or are you so fixated on submissions that you think fighting for position is not part of a "scramble"? Lmao. Also, you seem to fail to understand that a guy with good top control like Khabib is very good at stopping and preventing scrambles from happening in the first place.

If you think Tony should be worried about Khabib having gone up against guys who can't punch, fine, but at least he's got infinite setups for d'Arces.

Khabib has gone against world level BJJ fighters in pure submission grappling with no punches and won, yes. You know why this is important? Because Khabib has been denied his GnP in those matches, yet was still not subbed or outpositioned via points. You seem to forget that if we add punches into the mix, then Khabib is not going to be the one to get punched, he's going to be the one doing the punching, because he's going to be the one on top due to his superior wrestling, not the other way around. Ferguson is nowhere near the level of Khabib when it comes to overall grappling skill, because he has never outgrappled an actually good BJJ fighter. He can have any "supply of d'Arce chokes" he wants, Khabib has faced better BJJ fighters than him at a disantvantage of not being able to use his GnP.

The fight will be won on cardio

Wrong, the fight will be won on pure grappling skill because of several reasons:
1. Ferguson has nowhere near the TDD to stop Khabib's takedowns even in the later rounds.
2. The fight will proceed at Khabib's pace with Khabib pushing the pace, not Ferguson, simply because you cannot push the pace off your back against a guy with great top control.

The fight will not be won on cardio, because Ferguson is not going to be the one pressuring Khabib with a large volume of punches on the feet for most of the fight, it's going to be the other way around with Khabib pressuring Ferguson from top on the ground due to Ferguson's bad wrestling.

 

[Marc A]

I already did in my post, the fact that you're too stupid to understand this is not my problem. Spoonfeeding clowns like you who know nothing of fighter backgrounds is not my job.



At this point you're just spouting random words you don't even understand. Khabib doesn't "go for scrambles"? So what you're saying is that Khabib does not fight for position continuously against guys who are successfully trying to escape from inferior positions while being on the ground with Khabib? Or are you so fixated on submissions that you think fighting for position is not part of a "scramble"? Lmao. Also, you seem to fail to understand that a guy with good top control like Khabib is very good at stopping and preventing scrambles from happening in the first place.


Khabib has gone against world level BJJ fighters in pure submission grappling with no punches and won, yes. You know why this is important? Because Khabib has been denied his GnP in those matches, yet was still not subbed or outpositioned via points. You seem to forget that if we add punches into the mix, then Khabib is not going to be the one to get punched, he's going to be the one doing the punching, because he's going to be the one on top due to his superior wrestling, not the other way around. Ferguson is nowhere near the level of Khabib when it comes to overall grappling skill, because he has never outgrappled an actually good BJJ fighter. He can have any "supply of d'Arce chokes" he wants, Khabib has faced better BJJ fighters than him at a disantvantage of not being able to use his GnP.


Wrong, the fight will be won on pure grappling skill because of several reasons:
1. Ferguson has nowhere near the TDD to stop Khabib's takedowns even in the later rounds.
2. The fight will proceed at Khabib's pace with Khabib pushing the pace, not Ferguson, simply because you cannot push the pace off your back against a guy with great top control.

The fight will not be won on cardio, because Ferguson is not going to be the one pressuring Khabib with a large volume of punches on the feet for most of the fight, it's going to be the other way around with Khabib pressuring Ferguson from top on the ground due to Ferguson's bad wrestling.

No substance , you have not listed Khabib's world class PURE BJJ matches in this discussion

I'll go ahead and discount you as the fraud you are

 

[TapMachine]

No substance , you have not listed Khabib's world class PURE BJJ matches in this discussion

I'll go ahead and discount you as the fraud you are

So you are unfamiliar with Khabib's submission grappling history and have specifically ignored the picture I've posted two posts back? I'll go ahead and discount you as the nonsense spouting clown you are.

 

[agibmxmma]

Canelo also won according to judges. Fury didn't win either according to judges. Bob Whittaker beat Yoel a second time according to the judges. Time to turn your brain on.

Media scores are not the judges scorecards, nor do media scorecards matter in the outcome of a fight.. time to turn your brain on.

 

[0verlord]

I already did in my post, the fact that you're too stupid to understand this is not my problem. Spoonfeeding clowns like you who know nothing of fighter backgrounds is not my job.



At this point you're just spouting random words you don't even understand. Khabib doesn't "go for scrambles"? So what you're saying is that Khabib does not fight for position continuously against guys who are successfully trying to escape from inferior positions while being on the ground with Khabib? Or are you so fixated on submissions that you think fighting for position is not part of a "scramble"? Lmao. Also, you seem to fail to understand that a guy with good top control like Khabib is very good at stopping and preventing scrambles from happening in the first place.


Khabib has gone against world level BJJ fighters in pure submission grappling with no punches and won, yes. You know why this is important? Because Khabib has been denied his GnP in those matches, yet was still not subbed or outpositioned via points. You seem to forget that if we add punches into the mix, then Khabib is not going to be the one to get punched, he's going to be the one doing the punching, because he's going to be the one on top due to his superior wrestling, not the other way around. Ferguson is nowhere near the level of Khabib when it comes to overall grappling skill, because he has never outgrappled an actually good BJJ fighter. He can have any "supply of d'Arce chokes" he wants, Khabib has faced better BJJ fighters than him at a disantvantage of not being able to use his GnP.


Wrong, the fight will be won on pure grappling skill because of several reasons:
1. Ferguson has nowhere near the TDD to stop Khabib's takedowns even in the later rounds.
2. The fight will proceed at Khabib's pace with Khabib pushing the pace, not Ferguson, simply because you cannot push the pace off your back against a guy with great top control.

The fight will not be won on cardio, because Ferguson is not going to be the one pressuring Khabib with a large volume of punches on the feet for most of the fight, it's going to be the other way around with Khabib pressuring Ferguson from top on the ground due to Ferguson's bad wrestling.

If Tony was a vegetable then sure as hell all of that flowery stuff is happening. Whatever I said is exactly how things play out in Khabib fights, why the gaslighting tho? There's a totally different dynamic at play in an MMA fight than in submission grappling. The point isn't that beating a BJJ practitioner translates to complete ownage in MMA with supposedly more tools(otherwise Khabib would've been entertaining). It's that although Tony wouldn't win in those competitions(and no one claimed or cared that he would) he has a more suited version of the discipline than when it's on its own, whether you want to argue that the competition was as strong or not - Triangles and d'Arces aren't laid out for you to just execute. And gawd for the last time Khabib's featherweight arms ain't coming anywhere near Tony's face dude. If they do Tony's been hit way harder before.

 

[0verlord]

Media scores are not the judges scorecards, nor do media scorecards matter in the outcome of a fight.. time to turn your brain on.

You must be trolling or just had a lobotomy?

For the record, bitch still got called up at UFC events after this. Ain't it funny how everyone saw something but somehow the ones who get to decide saw something totally different, especially when NSAC is involved?

 

[TapMachine]

Whatever I said is exactly how things play out in Khabib fights

Nah, what you spout is pure nonsense, because you don't even understand what a scramble is. Watch the Trujillo fight, Khabib won at least two scrambles there. You have no clue what you're talking about.

There's a totally different dynamic at play in an MMA fight than in submission grappling.

Precisely. Khabib couldn't use his GnP in those pure submission matches while he can do so in MMA. Khabib's style of grappling only GAINS when translated to MMA, it doesn't lose anything. It is the BJJ submission specialist who likes fighting off his back who loses when transitioning to MMA. The notion that Khabib's submission grappling accolades mean nothing in MMA is spouted by retards like you and @mkess101, retards who do not comprehend that Khabib's style of grappling translates perfectly to MMA, because it is based on position control and GnP, not fighting off his back or patiently fishing for subs.

 

[mkess101]

Nah, what you spout is pure nonsense, because you don't even understand what a scramble is. Watch the Trujillo fight, Khabib won at least two scrambles there. You have no clue what you're talking about.


Precisely. Khabib couldn't use his GnP in those pure submission matches while he can do so in MMA. Khabib's style of grappling only GAINS when translated to MMA, it doesn't lose anything. It is the BJJ submission specialist who likes fighting off his back who loses when transitioning to MMA. The notion that Khabib's submission grappling accolades mean nothing in MMA is spouted by retards like you and @mkess101, retards who do not comprehend that Khabib's style of grappling translates perfectly to MMA, because it is based on position control and GnP, not fighting off his back or patiently fishing for subs.

Yeah that's not what I said, but good to know you are obsessed with me enough to drag me into whatever conversation you are now having.

Tell us once again how you specifically predicted multiple times 49-48 Khabib while also saying he'd dominate the fight.

Man it's amazing you are dumb enough to bring me up when you know I'm gonna keep clowning you on this idiotic stuff you've posted. Glutton for punishment you must be I guess.

 

[0verlord]

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Scrambles are erratic. Khabib is one-dimensional.

Khabib's style of grappling translates perfectly to MMA

Nah, already been exposed by Tibau. He won't even be in the position to go for TDs because TFerg will be too busy coming at him. We already saw his piss-poor coward-like backtracking in the early rounds vs Conor, except Tony will be unrelenting with the onslaught and there's gonna be a lot of sharp shit involved as well.