So who exactly is Tony Ferguson's best win again?

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  1. bambammccoy

    bambammccoy Red Belt

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    It sure will when his chin doesn't hold up anymore. He will look like a mediocre fighter and people will say "but in his prime he was so skilled" which yes he is very skilled in certain aspects but there is defintely a gap between his skill level and his competition he just closes that gap with physical attributes one of which he arguably didn't even work for.
     
  2. fightfan70

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    tony beats the scale everytime!!
     
  3. GordoBarraBJJ

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    Not a fan but he has some good wins - added by "accidental" fouls.
     
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    Yeah, I've always said that Tony has bad TDD despite coming from a wrestling background. Regarding my previous post, it was a response to you saying that Tony will take Khabib into "snap city" and I ask you again: did Tony take RDA into "snap city"? No, he didn't, he actually did everything he could to keep the fight on the feet and succeeded, since RDA never had really good takedowns to begin with. You know why he did that? Because, unlike his fans, he knows his limitations and was uncomfortable going to the ground with RDA, preferring to suffer through literally 100+ punches than try to outgrapple a decorated BJJ artist in RDA. If Ferguson felt uncomfortable working off his back against RDA, do you really think he's going to have a great time against Khabib whose top game is even better? Khabib's sub defense is proven at world level in pure BJJ matches, matches, where Khabib cannot use GnP to hinder the submission specialist and therefore is more susceptible to submissions than in MMA. Any implication that Tony is going to sub Khabib is simply laughable, the disparity in grappling skill level between the two is going to be evident come fight night and some of his fans are going to have a hard time accepting the truth regarding Tony's actual BJJ skill level.
     
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  5. 560ti

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    Thomson is such an underrated win.

    Thomson hadn't had a non controversial lost in almost a decade. Tony came in and literally destroyed him.......
     
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    Rda especially the way he did it too. He wasn’t fighting rda at 170 being the bigger guy and wrestling him to death. He actually fought him very hard
     
  7. 560ti

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    Physical attributes help but your being over the top.

    Elite fighters have both high level psychical attributes and high level skills. Tony has both (high level BJJ black-belt,collegiate wrestler, crisp/pressure hands, unorthodox striking).

    He's not some scrub with average skillets who only gets by on physical. He's got both the skills and psychical attributes which you kinda need to have 6 top 10 wins in one of the most stacked divisions.
     
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  8. elcj

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    Kevin Lee.

    You will see when Lee demolishes Al.
     
  9. bambammccoy

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    He defintely has crisp offensive boxing for MMA standards. Defensive and offensive head movement is shit, throws arm punches a ton, throws strikes at random rarely sets up the next strikes just throws it to throw it, unorthodox sure so is Ryan Hall, his striking is not nearly as high level as you're pretending it is. He is accurate and throws a variety but that's as much as I can say for his striking. The rest is him eating shots and hoping he can continue to handle it.

    High level BJJ and average wrestling are his best skills in his arsenal which is also a bit overrated as well but not as much. Constantly gives up position even when not going for a submission which is what most people (usually fans who dont train) use to argue in favor of him constantly giving up position.

    Fouls, chin, recovery ability have carried him alot further than if he just had a good chin and good cardio.

    6-6 in his last 12 had he only a good chin and recovery ability or no fouls. 6-6 isn't terrible especially not in the UFC but when the 6 consists of Tibau, Kikuno, Rio, Trujillo, etc it defintely isn't championship caliber resume.

    Unpopular opinion but nobody has yet to have a decent argument against it. Even Firas has posted similar things albeit not as much of what I said and alot more respectful.
     
  10. NoSmilez

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    Tony pretty much cleared out the division. You can't question his record. When he fights Khabib, it would be the best two guys in the division fighting.
     
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  11. 0verlord

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    This is going to be so much more than a grappling match. You really see Khabib doing all that with Tony's pressure? You talked about stuff being laughable. And sorry but Khabib's BJJ is not one of his fortes. Those couple RNCs are only complementary after he beats up people to the point they're tired(like this is going to happen in a Tony fight), they don't really happen after scrambles. As for RDA he only has good ground game on top while Tony has a more advanced bottom game and better guard. I've been hearing about that RDA black belt argument for a while but in reality what has he done with it? At the end of the day Tony's 'inferior' but MMA-suited BJJ is more dangerous.
     
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    I really don't think many here are calling for a Khabib sub victory, but he will control Tony on the ground and beat him up. Tony's only hope is to gas Khabib and pull something out late. Khabib is the better fighter.

    I think Khabib dominates his way to a UD.
     
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    Just thinking about that fight hurts my eyes.
     
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    Barboza took the fight on two weeks notice, too.
     
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    Dominate lol. This is not Conor. Try dominating when you got multiple cuts on your face, gassed and unable to keep up with violent striking. Khabib quits on the stool in the 4th.
     
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    And Khabib is not Lee who is going to give up and gas after easily mounting Tony in the first round.

    I have never seen Khabib not be able to keep up with anyones striking at any point of any fight, and he's faced better strikers than Tony.

    Khabib will be able to dictate where the fight goes from beginning to end which is why he's the betting favorite every time.
     
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    And What´s Kevin Lee best win? Chiesa?

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    Please explain to me what you think BJJ is. The way you speak about RNCs implies that you think slapping submissions on people is the be-all and end-all when it comes to BJJ, which is far from the truth. Khabib doesn't really train BJJ, but he has much more experience in submission grappling than Ferguson due to his Sambo training, MUCH more. If Khabib was a BJJ noob who was easy to sub, if he was really just a wrestler like Tibau or Lee, he would never have this on his record

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    Do you know when this happened? 2012 - back when Tony was just a purple belt. Khabib has technically gone up against world level BJJ grapplers without being able to use his GnP, his sub defense is proven on a level far above anyone Ferguson has ever subbed. None of the people Ferguson has subbed have any kind of submission grappling or BJJ accolades, literally none. The only decorated BJJ fighter Ferguson has beaten was RDA and he preferred not to risk trying to grapple with RDA. Smart move, considering how good RDA's BJJ is. To say that Ferguson is going to sub Khabib because he subbed Barboza or Lee is dumb.

    When Khabib faces Tony, not only will he be the superior pure grappler, but he will also be the superior MMA grappler, because his wrestling, sub defense and GnP are on a level far above anything Ferguson has ever faced.

    EDIT: oh, and even though you said that this is going to be more than a grappling match, the outcome of the fight is going to be decided on the ground, because Tony doesn't have the TDD to stuff Khabib's takedowns.
     
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    Sure. 12-0, 16-0,..etc. How many are 27-0? How many has been so dominant over their opponents like Khabib? How many has never been in any danger of been submitted or knocked down? If you can't see the difference, then I can't help you..
     
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