PBP GLORY 89: Badr Hari vs Uku Jürjendal, Sat Oct. 7 at 2pm ET/11am PT, PBP Discussion Thread

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You forgotten how Pet fights? Left kicks you to oblivion and later rounds will actively clinch.
Throwing hard roundhouses is too tiring, that's why it wouldn't really be as effective if kickboxing or Muay thai fights were longer like in boxing and doesn't really work too well in MMA either
 
Throwing hard roundhouses is too tiring, that's why it wouldn't really be as effective if kickboxing or Muay thai fights were longer like in boxing and doesn't really work too well in MMA either
Pretty sure Ive seen plenty of MMA fights with guys throwing lots of roundhouse kicks. Its less common because it leaves you open to a takedown.
 
AHHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH... RETIRE FOR FUCK SAKE AND STOP THROWING YOUR LEGACY ON DEEP SHIT
I'm actually pretty okay with Badr throwing his legacy on deep shit. Its kinda funny.

Congrats to Uku.
 
Pretty sure Ive seen plenty of MMA fights with guys throwing lots of roundhouse kicks. Its less common because it leaves you open to a takedown.
You will never see a high level MMA fight with guys spamming roundhouses, like you see with many southpaw thai fighters, petch, sittichai, yodsanklai etc. The takedowns are one issue but fatigue also is a major factor. Movement is more important in MMA than it is Muay thai, so fatiguing yourself with heavy roundhouses to an opponents guard and body is not a smart choice when it will severely limit your ability to sprawl, change levels and use footwork in general later in the fight. It's one thing to do that in a match that is only 9-15 minutes. It's entirely different when the match is 25-36 minutes
 
You will never see a high level MMA fight with guys spamming roundhouses, like you see with many southpaw thai fighters, petch, sittichai, yodsanklai etc. The takedowns are one issue but fatigue also is a major factor. Movement is more important in MMA than it is Muay thai, so fatiguing yourself with heavy roundhouses to an opponents guard and body is not a smart choice when it will severely limit your ability to sprawl, change levels and use footwork in general later in the fight. It's one thing to do that in a match that is only 9-15 minutes. It's entirely different when the match is 25-36 minutes
That's because nobody in MMA can throw roundhouses like them. Thai's throw roundhouses all day every day. Fatigue from roundhouses isn't an issue for them.

Who gives a shit anyways, this is the KB/MT forum and a thread about a Kickboxing fight. Go watch MMA if that's what you're into...
 
You will never see a high level MMA fight with guys spamming roundhouses, like you see with many southpaw thai fighters, petch, sittichai, yodsanklai etc. The takedowns are one issue but fatigue also is a major factor. Movement is more important in MMA than it is Muay thai, so fatiguing yourself with heavy roundhouses to an opponents guard and body is not a smart choice when it will severely limit your ability to sprawl, change levels and use footwork in general later in the fight. It's one thing to do that in a match that is only 9-15 minutes. It's entirely different when the match is 25-36 minutes
Off the top of my head didnt Jones spam middle and high kicks against Gustafson for half the fight including the 5th round? Im sure there are plenty more examples. In a sport with 4 oz gloves you will of course get more punches, just as 90s MT had 6 oz gloves and they used more punches than modern 8 oz MT, but this is an adaptation to the rules of MMA, not to the round length.
 
That's because nobody in MMA can throw roundhouses like them. Thai's throw roundhouses all day every day. Fatigue from roundhouses isn't an issue for them.

Who gives a shit anyways, this is the KB/MT forum and a thread about a Kickboxing fight. Go watch MMA if that's what you're into...
Well I responded to a comment that brought up how petch typically throws less body kicks in later rounds than he does early. It's because he's fatigued and doesn't have energy to throw kicks with the same force as he does early in fights. He isn't the only southpaw roundhouse heavy fighter Ive seen who gasses later in fights either. But fine let's not bring up other sports, let's just say that if kickboxing and Muay thai fights were longer, this would not be nearly as effective a strategy. Certain kickboxers like murthel groenhart and chingiz allazov have styles that benefit heavily from how short the fights are as well. That is my opinion
 
Off the top of my head didnt Jones spam middle and high kicks against Gustafson for half the fight including the 5th round? Im sure there are plenty more examples. In a sport with 4 oz gloves you will of course get more punches, just as 90s MT had 6 oz gloves and they used more punches than modern 8 oz MT, but this is an adaptation to the rules of MMA, not to the round length.
No it was a pretty vintage Jon Jones esque type performance where he utilized all his tools. Imo if rounds in Muay thai were longer you'd see much more clinching and more elbows and punching. In kickboxing it would just be a lot more punches and teeps I believe, and possibly more low kicks
 
Well I responded to a comment that brought up how petch typically throws less body kicks in later rounds than he does early. It's because he's fatigued and doesn't have energy to throw kicks with the same force as he does early in fights. He isn't the only southpaw roundhouse heavy fighter Ive seen who gasses later in fights either. But fine let's not bring up other sports, let's just say that if kickboxing and Muay thai fights were longer, this would not be nearly as effective a strategy. Certain kickboxers like murthel groenhart and chingiz allazov have styles that benefit heavily from how short the fights are as well. That is my opinion
No it's not, it's because he has the fight won and he's just coasting in those later rounds. I'm not sure I even agree with that being his tactic though, he's had plenty of fights where he's spammed roundhouses the whole fight. So has Yodsanklai, Sam-A, Sakmongkol and countless other Thais.

In longer fights you have to conserve your energy for every attack, which includes punches. 3 x 3 Kickboxing is designed to be a sprint where fighters can go non stop with combinations. Compare that to 3 x 5 Muay Thai and the fight typically builds up at a slower pace and the 3/4 rounds are where most of the output is. Doesn't effect kicking differently than punching. Theirs more kicking in a typical 15 minute Muay Thai fight than their is in a 9 minute Kickboxing fight, that's because of style and scoring.

Nobody wants to watch KB/MT longer than 5 rounds anyways so this is a pointless discussion. Your average Muay Thai fight and MMA fight are both 15 minutes, it's not the length of the fight responsible for difference in kicking, it's skill and the nuances of the rule set.
 
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You will never see a high level MMA fight with guys spamming roundhouses, like you see with many southpaw thai fighters, petch, sittichai, yodsanklai etc. The takedowns are one issue but fatigue also is a major factor. Movement is more important in MMA than it is Muay thai, so fatiguing yourself with heavy roundhouses to an opponents guard and body is not a smart choice when it will severely limit your ability to sprawl, change levels and use footwork in general later in the fight. It's one thing to do that in a match that is only 9-15 minutes. It's entirely different when the match is 25-36 minutes

Hm? Every once in a while you definitely see guys with bodykick heavy strategies (maybe once or twice a month on a major show). Throwing power strikes takes energy but it isn't anything that an MMA fighter is not capable of doing.

The threat of a takedown and generally just a lack of value in body shots is the main reason why guys do not do that. Many MMA fighters are not good at going to the body even with punches.
 
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