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Lol. I read "Bonner" at first. Made me think there was some kind of weird rant I didn't know about.This is already the core of many fans logic. Just thought I'd go full boner...
Lol. I read "Bonner" at first. Made me think there was some kind of weird rant I didn't know about.This is already the core of many fans logic. Just thought I'd go full boner...
And what chance or warning do you get before the kick or punch hits you in the face that you don't get before someone yanks your elbow the way jones did to glover?
The trick to catching someone in a submission is not giving away that you're going for it, it's the same principal.
You can break someones fucking arm with an armbar but dont you dare go for a shoulder crank!
JBJ wasn't going for a sub, he was trying to cause an injury, they're mutually exclusive
Lol, there's always at least one.
I have no issues with violence, like at all. I've watched Jones and his broken toe, Silva and his broken leg, and countless people with blood gushing from their faces. Believe me, it's not something that concerns me.
But I do have an ideal of how I like to see fights. If that differs from yours, cool, no worries. When it comes to submissions (as a fighter myself, I use these submissions all the time) I'd be mad pissed if a guy just broke my elbow or shoulder with some sloppy armbar that he made no attempt to lock in, and just cranked with all his might half-assed.
To me, that is straight up bullshit. If I get punched in the face and my orbital broken, that's part of fighting. If my ribs get broken from a kick, again- that's part of it. But I expect to be given a chance before someone snaps my elbow, that's just how I view it.
Will dirty tactics always be present? Of course they will. That doesn't mean I have to like them, however. Have a nice day.
This is what I'm taking from your statements here; You accept getting a broken orbital bone, you accept getting a broken rib, both of which come from strikes with no warning, yet you expect someone to telegraph or hold back a submission attempt to protect you from getting hurt.
The fact at the end of the day is that people fight to win, and if the guy who half assed the arm bar you mentioned above broke your arm, he still won.
Your ideal takes away the competitive nature of the sport, you have to be ruthless to win.
You don't get any points for this prediction. The people having problems with it are far, far fewer than those disliking Jones.LMFAO I made a thread about this last night.
Dont worry the Jones hater brotherhood needs anything to hate on it.
The Oblique kick started slow then it picked up steam....This shoulder crank will be the same.
No, it's not at all, and I can't really see it's debatable.
Furthermore, mostly everybody in those threads was pretty clear that it wasn't.
I'm bitching a lot about his finger-fighting, but this was a really cool submission attempt. People should stop trying to divide this entire forum into two strawmen: the nuthuggers and the haters. It's not a useful, nor accurate distinction. On the whole, we need to adress people's arguments instead of speculating on their motivations.
So, by that logic, why have rules at all? Why not make it a free-for-all, anything goes?
What's the purpose of having rules in a fight?
Sure thing, but you can only tap if you have a chance to.
I'm not talking about that- if an opponent is caught in an armbar but doesn't tap (see Tate/Rousey 1) then crank that shit and break the arm. That's your opponents fault. If you've got them in a choke and they don't tap (see Machida/Jones), then crank until they go limp. That's how it works.
But when you're in an uncontrolled sub, which applies sudden and potentially bonebreaking pressure with no warning, that's just dangerous. Your opponent has no pain up until the bone is broken or joint is dislocated- and that's just not good.
Giving your opponent that chance to stop their limb being broken is the key point to whether a sub is 'sporting' or not, IMO.
This is what I'm taking from your statements here; You accept getting a broken orbital bone, you accept getting a broken rib, both of which come from strikes with no warning, yet you expect someone to telegraph or hold back a submission attempt to protect you from getting hurt.
The fact at the end of the day is that people fight to win, and if the guy who half assed the arm bar you mentioned above broke your arm, he still won.
Your ideal takes away the competitive nature of the sport, you have to be ruthless to win.