International Zelensky Rejects Trump's Idiotic "Minerals Deal" - Might Tell The US to go F*ck Itself

[Cool Hand Luke]

Taste reality. Tastes like perestroika. It's done.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Ukraine could win the war on their own with the correct amount of support. They don't need EU troops involved.

They have 1 million men in service. And over 2 million in reserve.

Russia has about 600,000 deployed to Ukraine.

- That war came right behind the Covax, the world needed a conflict to make money. Lifes doesn't mean nothing for politicians. Maybe Zelenski is even friends with Putin.

 

[Crazy Source]

- That war came right behind the Covax, the world needed a conflict to make money. Lifes doesn't mean nothing for politicians. Maybe Zelenski is even friends with Putin.

 

[Belaya Smert]

I guess you didn't watch Macron correcting this claim made by Trump.

I don’t follow the beard of France, no.

 

[Badr Hari]

I bring up Ukrainians being conscripts because I'm debating someone in favor of sending them in to go die you imbecile.

Retarded shit is saying Ukrainians should continue to lose their lives while making zero gains over a region that was literally trying to BREAK AWAY FROM UKRAINE rather than work out a peace deal. Continuing war does make you a warmonger. YES, Putin is a WARMONGER TOO. That doesn't change the reality of what options are available to resolve this.

Do you know how they call western people who are not warmongers in Russia? Semi-fa***ts.

 

[Belaya Smert]

Don’t worry,

I’ll smoke it for you.. just keep the vodka poring!

*clinks glass

*Fire Water of the Gods

 

[brothir]

Are you stupid? You made the claim that Putin was going to demand more regions he wasn't in control of. I said he would have no leverage to do that. He absolutely has leverage for the regions that he DOES control. His leverage isn't limited, Zelensky's is.

No, I'm not stupid. You, however, seem to be. If Putin cannot successfully demand everything in Ukraine, his leverage is definitionally limited. If he can't successfully demand everything he wants, assuming that's not all of Ukraine, his leverage is further limited in a relevant way.

 

[SandisLL]

I doubt the European armies could win the war at this point. The likes of Britain and Germanys armies are small with shortages of ammunition and I doubt there is much desire from the public to sign up the fight, all the migrants certainly wouldn't sign up to go to Ukraine

They didn't had supplied a lot from stuff they does have.
Also big problem is that they needs long term contracts for ammo production etc.

They does have enough explosives to turn Ukr to crater.

 

[Snubnoze707]

No, I'm not stupid. You, however, seem to be. If Putin cannot successfully demand everything in Ukraine, his leverage is definitionally limited. If he can't successfully demand everything he wants, assuming that's not all of Ukraine, his leverage is further limited in a relevant way.

Nobody, not even Putin, thinks Russia can negotiate an agreement that would give them the entire country of Ukraine. That isn't what's on the table. His leverage is not limited enough to take in the Donbas, however, which was the region being contested leading up to the invasion and the whole point of this conflict. He has leverage to take the Donbas and it's likely that he does, and guess what, the people living there wanted to break away from Ukraine already.

Zelensky on the other hand is demanding the Donbas AND Crimea, which is completely unrealistic. He has zero leverage to do that.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- I've read enought comi-books, real ones by Chucky Dixon, to not trust any politician!

 

[MacGregor]

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

The democrat money laundering grift is over….zelensky is starting to see that.

 

[Badr Hari]

Nobody, not even Putin, thinks Russia can negotiate an agreement that would give them the entire country of Ukraine. That isn't what's on the table. His leverage is not limited enough to take in the Donbas, however, which was the region being contested leading up to the invasion and the whole point of this conflict. He has leverage to take the Donbas and it's likely that he does, and guess what, the people living there wanted to break away from Ukraine already.

Zelensky on the other hand is demanding the Donbas AND Crimea, which is completely unrealistic. He has zero leverage to do that.

Zelensky has said two years ago they were ready to give up Crime (legal aspect). Hell in a final day of a potential negotiation I'm pretty sure they would give whole of Donbass and Crimea together with one signature only to stop this brutal war. But you bet your ass Russia isn't accepting such a situation, they would at least want two more oblasts in the south, if not even Kharkiv added. Zelensky has pressure inside but I think russian society is would be even more angry and unpredictable towards Putin even for the smallest concession. That's why it's way too early for either side to be overly optimistic. Even a temporary ceasefire has small chances to be achieved earlier than summer, but we'll see.

 

[brothir]

Nobody, not even Putin, thinks Russia can negotiate an agreement that would give them the entire country of Ukraine. That isn't what's on the table. His leverage is not limited enough to take in the Donbas, however, which was the region being contested leading up to the invasion and the whole point of this conflict. He has leverage to take the Donbas and it's likely that he does, and guess what, the people living there wanted to break away from Ukraine already.

Zelensky on the other hand is demanding the Donbas AND Crimea, which is completely unrealistic. He has zero leverage to do that.

I agree that it's not on the table now. However, Putin has tried several times to occupy all of Ukraine, and failed. After that it's been a grindy stalemate where neither side wants to give in. Something will give eventually.

 

[Badr Hari]

Trump live now saying the almost opposite of a week ago.

Macron effect is real.

 

[brothir]

- That war came right behind the Covax, the world needed a conflict to make money. Lifes doesn't mean nothing for politicians. Maybe Zelenski is even friends with Putin.

If you're going to post stuff from Twitter parody accounts, you have to post the tweet itself. You can't just copy-paste the text, because it'll seem like you actually mean it yourself.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

its only tuesday, the cunt could renege on it by the end of the week, im guessing its nowhere near what he originally asked for, but if it sticks, it seems like the blowback he got from everyone has made him flip. maybe macron blew smoke up his ass telling him he would go down in history as the one who made peace , early days yet though, lets see what the russians do now. their economy is held together with duct tape, if the US stays on board and putin sees the EU aint backing down , maybe he will realise its time to negotiate for real. i heard a podcast with some high level us diplomats who described russian negotiating style, they said the russians make outrageous demands throughout and its a very slow process getting them to a realistic solution, they hate to lose face.

they hate to lose face.

That little phrase speaks volumes to Putin's playbook/character. And yeah, I think you've nailed it.

 

[volodya]

Didn't I just hear a reporter ask trump what Ukraine gets out of this?

and he said something like money, weapons and the ability to keep fighting Russia??

 

[Garibaldi]

I'm from Australia.

Basically your number one butt buddy. Afghanistan, Iraq, Korea, Vietnam... we'll join you everywhere basically (though I do hope we re-asses this)

We buy your planes, tanks, APC's, helicopters...

Put our citizens in them and fight your wars with you.

Not in NATO, no 2% expectation but we meet it anyway.

Middle of fucking nowhere too. About as geographically isolated as you get.


You guys spend a lot because you want to. You made that decision. You wanted to be the leader of the free world. The policy has benefits. Like Australians buying your weapons fighting your wars, spreading the status quo. Less wars because everyone is scared of us.

You made a decision. It has pros and cons. Much more pros than cons. Own it.


I can understand being pissed at western Europe slacking but to side with fucking Russia and NK... for fucks sake what a pack of cunts.

Well said, sir

 

[wlu.29]

Why though? Why this instead of negotiating an end?

Because sovereign nations don't want to be invaded by dictators

I thought a common phrase by Americans was "don't negotiate with terrorists"