International Zelensky Rejects Trump's Idiotic "Minerals Deal" - Might Tell The US to go F*ck Itself

[The XL]

It's been 3 years and they're barely off the starting line, it will take 30 years at their current rate of progress just to capture all of the territory they have annexed on paper.

They'll never get over the Dnieper.

They're too committed to it now to leave. The war will last for the rest of Putin's life unless a deal is made. It's not inconceivable that he lives for another 10+ years. Is Ukraine to fight for another 10 years. What if the men fighting don't want to fight anymore? Will Zelensky stay in charge another decade.

 

[Rational Poster]

They're too committed to it now to leave. The war will last for the rest of Putin's life unless a deal is made. It's not inconceivable that he lives for another 10+ years. Is Ukraine to fight for another 10 years. What if the men fighting don't want to fight anymore? Will Zelensky stay in charge another decade.

That's up to Ukraine, isn't it? I would say that Ukrainians are more committed to continue existing than Russian troops are committed to invading. It's just a matter of time before they're convinced to leave on their own, just like Afghanistan.

 

[The XL]

That's up to Ukraine, isn't it? I would say that Ukrainians are more committed to continue existing than Russian troops are committed to invading.

It should be up to the Ukrainian men fighting. Unfortunately, it's not.

 

[Rational Poster]

It should be up to the Ukrainian men fighting. Unfortunately, it's not.

Zelensky has over 60% approval rating since this confrontation with Trump, keep writing fan fiction.

 

[Prutfis]

I have no idea where you're from.

US pays more for the worlds defense than anyone and have for many, many years.

The US is also the biggest warmonger and has been for many many years

 

[The XL]

Zelensky has over 60% approval rating since this confrontation with Trump, keep writing fan fiction.

There is no way to accurately substantiate that. And even if it were true, what is his approval rating with the men fighting? The people with direct skin in the game, the people who are the ones keeping the country afloat are the only ones with opinions that should matter.

 

[Snubnoze707]

What is a "security guarantee"? A promise that we'll go to war for them if aggression reignites? Yeah, no.

We can't ignore that the US certainly pushed Ukraine into this position. Here's our politicians telling Ukrainian forces to go on the offensive against Russia and that we'll have their back right after the signing of the Minsk Peace Accords:



Certainly we shouldn't adhere to these commitments by these warmongering profiteers and keep sacrificing Ukrainian soldiers for profit in a losing effort today. The US definitely played a role in all of this however.

 

[Rational Poster]

There is no way to accurately substantiate that. And even if it were true, what is his approval rating with the men fighting? The people with direct skin in the game, the people who are the ones keeping the country afloat are the only ones with opinions that should matter.

Of course there is, it's called polling. The question has been polled.

 

[SandisLL]

Kick in the teeth to any allied country that went to Iraq and lost it's citizens there.

Cunts ask us to die for them in a stupid ass war and won't even pony up some money to kick the ass of a manlet dictator.

I hope all allied countries are taking note of where America is heading.

U.S still should deliver european countries 520 MRLS launchers and 222 tanks. For money.
If Trump doesn't want sell these very expensive weapons then XI will sell cheaper weapons. Business, nothing special.

XI already had sold Serbia SAM battery. Stuff is delivered. China really had supplied quickly. Stuff also cheaper than russian SAM Stuff for the same range.

 

[Andy Capp]

No doubt they are corrupt. But we helped put them in this spot with the whole NATO thing imo. Its also good to not let Russia run rough shod over a country like that.

Because of the above. It's definitely in our best interests.

No doubt? Got any receipts?

 

[Seano]

The US is also the biggest warmonger and has been for many many years

But we're the ones trying to end this war.......

 

[brothir]

Problem is that Europe barely has any functional armies.

Depends on what you mean. Armies ready for invasion, sure, almost none of those. Armies ready to put up defense against Russia? Absolutely. If Russia wants to invade Norway tomorrow, then I wish them good luck because they're going to need it. Disregarding nukes and NATO in that hypothetical.

 

[Hog-train]

What is a "security guarantee"? A promise that we'll go to war for them if aggression reignites? Yeah, no.

Some kind of peacekeeping force stays at the border and/or just give them enough weapons to deter another invasion.

Otherwise, zero chance Ukraine will say yes and the EU either.

But we're the ones trying to end this war.......

They're trying to let Russia win and get everything they want. We're negotiating from a position of weakness when there's no need to. The US should be telling Russia to stop attacking or we'll arm Ukraine to the teeth. Negotiate from a position of strength, because that's all dictators like Putin understands.

I gotta say though, the EU is so impotent. 26 countries with vastly more people and GDP than Russia, yet they're completely helpless in the face of Russian aggression. They've been sucking on the teat of the US defense umbrella for way too long and are basically wimps.

 

[degoj99]

Trump wants to end the war.

It's weird that for some people ending the war is not seen as a useful goal. The West is not going to kick Russia out of Ukraine completely, and we can't keep funding Ukraine as we have been.

The best chance for peace is Ukraine concedes the Russian speaking areas Russia currently holds, and the war stops. Ukraine has no incentive to end the war if the money keeps flowing - siphoning off a % will keep crooks getting richer.

 

[degoj99]

Depends on what you mean. Armies ready for invasion, sure, almost none of those. Armies ready to put up defense against Russia? Absolutely. If Russia wants to invade Norway tomorrow, then I wish them good luck because they're going to need it. Disregarding nukes and NATO in that hypothetical.

Um...yeah I'm not sure that war game planning with that caveat makes a ton of sense. Nukes make everything qualitatively different. Without nukes I'm sure the West would have already taken care of this latest Russian expansionism.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

The US is also the biggest warmonger and has been for many many years

I think his & stance is war is ok if it's profitable for our country. Like if billionaire oligarchs and elite real estate developing ruling families get beach front property and country to develop & line their pockets with....great it will some how trickle down to him in a way he can't explain.

But if the war is strictly a moral one to stop a sovereign nation from getting invaded & we can't seize their natural resources then it's not profitable for his superiors or worth the squeeze.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Seano]

Some kind of peacekeeping force stays at the border and/or just give them enough weapons to deter another invasion.

Otherwise, zero chance Ukraine will say yes and the EU either.

I believe thats what the mineral deal was intended to do, along with paying us back for our help. But you think Zelensky should tell us to fuck ourselves.

 

[brothir]

Um...yeah I'm not sure that war game planning with that caveat makes a ton of sense. Nukes make everything qualitatively different. Without nukes I'm sure the West would have already taken care of this latest Russian expansionism.

Because it's not planning, it's a thought-experiment to prove a theoretical point. "Europe doesn't have functioning armies" means little to begin with given nukes as a factor.

 

[Snubnoze707]

They're trying to let Russia win and get everything they want. We're negotiating from a position of weakness when there's no need to.

They will always be negotiating from a position of weakness, so why prolong the suffering?

 

[brothir]

I believe thats what the mineral deal was intended to do, along with paying us back for our help. But you think Zelensky should tell us to fuck ourselves.

The aid given to Ukraine was given freely. There were no strings attached, and it would be both impractical and immoral to try and enforce any.