Yan vs. O' Malley - A Balanced Take

[ayaandirtyboy]

It's more like you didn't really make an argument or present evidence to back your argument. And tossing that insult in there also doesn't help your credibility.

The argument is pretty much being that omalley is a can crusher and cant impliment His game plan against hgher ranked guys

 

[chinarice]

This is a moronic take, but thanks.

I'll revive this thread after the fight and we will see who's take is moronic.

20 year Sherdog vet vs the 2 week vet (Who is just someone who recently got banned)

Seems like a mismatch. Can you advise what your previous accountname was @The Last King? Need to see if this bout should be sanctioned or not

 

[chimpoehurricane]

Dislike for O'Malley colors people's perception a little too much, so I'm going to try to just cover the obvious points.

O'Malley's clear advantages in these fight are his range, height, and striking accuracy. He is a very coordinated striker who works best at tip range, who throws great combinations from different angles at great speed, can throw from his back foot, and who uses a lot of feints and mixups extremely well. He tends to fare better against less mobile targets who are at a clear speed and range disadvantage, like Moutinho, where he can style off and chain combinations or use his speed advantage to land counters. In his last fight, Pedro adopted a mobile strategy, to move in and out of range, avoiding the boxing exchanges, and poking with leg kicks that while mostly checked also added up. O'Malley had trouble finding his range, even if he did manage to land a few good punches, including one that shut Pedro's left eye. Upon rewatching I thought he won that round. He is exceptionally good at chaining strikes and finding the counter punches, and avoiding head strikes.

Yan is even faster, has better movement, and a much more polished striking game, not to mention speed, than Pedro. He works at his best moving in and out with fast short combinations. Nothing particularly fancy, just tenacious, fast, and precise. He has a big reach disadvantage, but he moves in and out very well, and tends to find his range and pick it up as the fight moves forward. He will probably move laterally a lot and frustrate O'Malley, who will have to try to find his range against a much more mobile target than ever before. While O'Malley generally has a speed advantage, against Yan this might not be the case. Propensity for injury might be a factor, but it's impossible to factor in such things. Neither fighter seems to opt for wrestling offensive, though both have good takedown and submission defense.

The thing with O'Malley is that he is in love with the idea of becoming a KO artist like Conor or Anderson, while he should grow into a more dynamic MMA fighter like DJ or GSP, who could change gears mid fight if something was not working. His BJJ is actually surprisingly good, but he rarely has alternative gameplans and always seems to prefer to strike. He needs to get his ego in check, and realize styling off with strikes won't always be available as he fights the higher level competition moving forward, if he wants to be consistent.

I think this is a difficult fight to call; far more than people are making it out to be, though obviously it is an enormous step up in competition for Sean. I'm going to go out on a limb and say O'Malley shocks the world.

There's nothing difficult about a can crusher actually fighting a real top fighter. Arguably the champ despite corrupt judges and Oscar performances acting.

Vera beat Omally to death nearly. He defended gnp with his chin. No attempt to pull guard or even attempt to defend. After he went unconscious despite disrespect to Vera, he put on an Oscar acting performance because of a stubbed toe.

The guy is more fragile than glass. His shtick is cringe. Yan got screwed twice. Unfortunately for Omally, the can crushing has given him a false sense of confidence.

I'll be shocked if he escapes rd1.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

The argument is pretty much being that omalley is a can crusher and cant impliment His game plan against hgher ranked guys

Correction- ultimate can crusher. People trash Khamza or Conor and their run up. This guy is fighting the equivalent of wwf Brooklyn brawler.

 

[Pilo]

I think the closest comparison in Yan's opponents when it comes to O'Malley is Sandhagen. Similar build, very rangy, great striker, although stylistically different (probably better, though). Yan really managed to nullify the reach advantage and still land leg kicks, put pressure on Sandhagen and keep him on his backfoot, defend well against Sandhagen's bursts of aggression, and just never allow him to get too comfortable in there, and let loose.

I don,t see where this strategy could fail him against O'Malley, other than Yan relying on defense too much as he moves forward. But I agree with TS that O'Malley has a much better chance than a lot of people seem to think. I think this comes down to whether or not Petr Yan fights intelligently the whole time, and doesn't get carried away at some point and countered.

I wonder if that's going to be strictly a standup affair. Yan's wrestling ability could be a huge factor too, and O'Malley's GnP defense, from what we've seen thus far, doesn't seem to be really good. Obviously, I'm referring to the Chito Vera fight, and of course, O'Malley had a battered leg when he got finished, but it's not exactly like Petr Yan isn't a fucking excellent leg kicker as well.

 

[CashMoney1991]

Yan should win this one, Sean hasn't beaten anyone good

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

Pedro admitted the punch in the first fucked his eye up, and Pedro didn't land a single punch on Sean in the entire fight. Sean was in control of that fight from start to finish.

It's just not factual to say Sean "was in control of that fight from start to finish" when he dropped the first round on 2/3 judges scorecards.

Sean may have been pulling ahead during the second round, and on his way to winning that round, but no one who is unbiased would call his performance dominant.

 

[josh345]

o mally may have a speed advantage over yan. yan kinda plods forward but he makes up for it with his defense and accuracy on his strikes. kind of like moussasi.

i think yan wins based on seans last fight. he looked horrible agains munoz. but who knows mma is fucking insane.

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

Yan did also find some difficulties dealing with Aljemain's long and unorthodox striking during the first two rounds of their first fight.

Yan dropped Sterling during the first round of their first fight. Sterling was definitely throwing a lot but to say Yan was having difficulty is just not factually accurate given the knockdown.

Sean is very unorthodox, and much more polished in fundamentals and striking abilityin general, so he could also present problems for Yan.

Cory Sandhagen has a near identical build to Sean and better striking fundamentals yet Yan defeated him rather easily?

He throws from different angles, throws many combinations, is very lanky and evasive, uses lots of feints, changes stances, switches... and he is very accurate.

I get the point you are trying to get across. Sean is definitely a polished striker. There is nothing special though in this day and age about a fighter who bills themselves as a striker, especially in a lighter weight-class, throwing feints, combos, or being able to work out of both stances. All of which Yan does as well and arguably much better than Sean.

People saying "Butz O'Malley hasn't beat anyone omg Vera and Pedro rkd him lol he beats only cans" are children.

But Sean hasn't looked good every time he has fought an elite bantamweight like Marlon Vera or Pedro Munhoz? He has only looked good versus fighters on their way out of the UFC. Thats just reality.

This is much more intriguing than most morons would like to think.

Most MMA fans may be morons but them not agreeing with you that Sean has any chance of beating Yan is definitely not why. You can't even clearly explain why Sean has a chance yet you are implying those who disagree with you are morons.

 

[Reaperman]

I think to say Vera destroyed him shows bias beyond reasoning, so I will not engage, thanks.

My bad, Vera TKO’d him in the first f*cking round, but I guess I’m biased. Lol If anyone is delusional here it’s you. Like some of the other posters have said though - we will see after the fight. If Yan loses, I’ll be the first one to give O’Malley props….

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

The balanced take is one guy has fought at the top level and against top competition and succeeded. The other guy folded as soon as he was pushed and his best performance against a live opponent was a back forth battle that was called after a brutal eye poke.

it's a 3 rounder so his best hope is that Yan starts slow and that he's banked rounds 1-2 via volume; then hope he doesn't get finished in the 3rd.

My guess is Yan is going to want to make a statement and his sadistic side will shine and he'll "3 guys one hammer" o'malley.

 

[krelianx]

The argument is pretty much being that omalley is a can crusher and cant impliment His game plan against hgher ranked guys

And since you don't understand how stupid that is, I suppose I'll move on.

 

[krelianx]

Yan dropped Sterling during the first round of their first fight. Sterling was definitely throwing a lot but to say Yan was having difficulty is just not factually accurate given the knockdown.



Cory Sandhagen has a near identical build to Sean and better striking fundamentals yet Yan defeated him rather easily?



I get the point you are trying to get across. Sean is definitely a polished striker. There is nothing special though in this day and age about a fighter who bills themselves as a striker, especially in a lighter weight-class, throwing feints, combos, or being able to work out of both stances. All of which Yan does as well and arguably much better than Sean.



But Sean hasn't looked good every time he has fought an elite bantamweight like Marlon Vera or Pedro Munhoz? He has only looked good versus fighters on their way out of the UFC. Thats just reality.



Most MMA fans may be morons but them not agreeing with you that Sean has any chance of beating Yan is definitely not why. You can't even clearly explain why Sean has a chance yet you are implying those who disagree with you are morons.

That he was dropped in the first round doesn't mean he didn't face adversity or problems as well. Those are not incompatible. Several people gave rounds 1/2 to Sterling.

I don't think Sandhagen is better than O'Malley in fundamentals or talent, nor do I believe Yan beat him easily. Nor do I agree that the way Sean uses feints, combinations, stance switches, is not special in this day and age, nor that Yan does those things better than Sean in particular.

I don't think the Vera fight was a good indicator of the skills, since it ended in what I consider to be an anomalous injury. I am concerned about O'Malley's propensity for injury, but I don't think that fight was representative of how they match up skill wise, nor does it indicate what I think would happen in a rematch.

I have been fairly explicit and clear about the advantages that I see. Many professional fighters are also picking Sean, including guys like Whitakker. Others think this is a very competitive close fight, like Khabib. What is idiotic is those who think this is a no brainer on the basis of Sean being a "can crusher" and "not looking good against Vera/Pedro".

 

[krelianx]

If yan destroys Sean then He pretty much proved His point.
Dont be a coward and lay all your Chips on the table.

"Don't be a coward"? What are you, twelve?

 

[krelianx]

I think the closest comparison in Yan's opponents when it comes to O'Malley is Sandhagen. Similar build, very rangy, great striker, although stylistically different (probably better, though). Yan really managed to nullify the reach advantage and still land leg kicks, put pressure on Sandhagen and keep him on his backfoot, defend well against Sandhagen's bursts of aggression, and just never allow him to get too comfortable in there, and let loose.

I don,t see where this strategy could fail him against O'Malley, other than Yan relying on defense too much as he moves forward. But I agree with TS that O'Malley has a much better chance than a lot of people seem to think. I think this comes down to whether or not Petr Yan fights intelligently the whole time, and doesn't get carried away at some point and countered.

I wonder if that's going to be strictly a standup affair. Yan's wrestling ability could be a huge factor too, and O'Malley's GnP defense, from what we've seen thus far, doesn't seem to be really good. Obviously, I'm referring to the Chito Vera fight, and of course, O'Malley had a battered leg when he got finished, but it's not exactly like Petr Yan isn't a fucking excellent leg kicker as well.

This is a good response, amidst an ocean of idiocy. I think Sandhagen had success early in the fight, which builds into the narrative of Yan being a slow starter. I think Sean is more dynamic and unorthodox with his striking, uses more feints, stance switches, and in general is better at having odd timing to find his shots in. So I think particularly early in the fight O'Malley will enjoy similar advantages than Sandhagen did, and also some others. With that said, I agree that as the fight moves forward, and if O'Malley does not find success in the first two rounds, it is likely Yan will pick it up and has a better shot at finding his range and winning.

I think Yan could theoretically go the Pedro route, move in and out and spam the leg kicks to avoid the risk of getting countered, and hopefully avoid any big shots. It worked for the most part for Pedro, and Yan is faster, and has much better movement. I think Yan looking for the takedown is not out of the question if he finds himself in trouble early on. Sean has excellent jitz, however, so that would be interesting.

 

[MileHigher]

I'll revive this thread after the fight and we will see who's take is moronic.

Yan could dominate O’Malley and you could still be wrong. No shame in losing to Petr Yan especially as a young and relatively inexperienced fighter. That doesn’t mean he can only beat cans.

Look I am no fan of the guy believe me, but to be writing him off as nothing more than a can crusher at this juncture is pretty moronic.

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

That he was dropped in the first round doesn't mean he didn't face adversity or problems as well. Those are not incompatible. Several people gave rounds 1/2 to Sterling.

I don't think Sandhagen is better than O'Malley in fundamentals or talent, nor do I believe Yan beat him easily. Nor do I agree that the way Sean uses feints, combinations, stance switches, is not special in this day and age, nor that Yan does those things better than Sean in particular.

I don't think the Vera fight was a good indicator of the skills, since it ended in what I consider to be an anomalous injury. I am concerned about O'Malley's propensity for injury, but I don't think that fight was representative of how they match up skill wise, nor does it indicate what I think would happen in a rematch.

I have been fairly explicit and clear about the advantages that I see. Many professional fighters are also picking Sean, including guys like Whitakker. Others think this is a very competitive close fight, like Khabib. What is idiotic is those who think this is a no brainer on the basis of Sean being a "can crusher" and "not looking good against Vera/Pedro".

If you don't think Yan's combos, switch stance fighting, and feints are better then why did you say this two pages ago?

Yan is even faster, has better movement, and a much more polished striking game

The pretense of the thread was you having a "balanced take" but now suddenly you believe Sean is a better striker than Yan?

Only a fangirl, or someone who had absolutely no clue what they were talking about, would say this.

 

[krelianx]

If you don't think Yan's combos, switch stance fighting, and feints are better then why did you say this two pages ago?

It's not my problem that you do not know how to read.

"Yan is even faster, has better movement, and a much more polished striking game, not to mention speed, than Pedro."

 

[old school 2]

He wasn't getting beaten like Hamil was. He wasn't winning, but he wasn't getting battered eithter

The absolute fact is Aljo was losing . I don’t consider a disqualification win to be a win unless you were actually winning. Aljo was losing .

 

[kuroro]

im bumping the shit out of this when omalley gets his teeth knocked out