Television X-MEN '97 (Leaked Season 2 Trailer, post #826)

[GearSolidMetal]

More importantly, why would there have to be right wing representation. This isn't an election, it's entertainment. They can keep it apolitical, or shoehorn in whatever political message they like. And people can read or not read them. It's not like they are under some obligation to have a bipartisan message.

No one's saying there has to be a bipartisan message.

I'm just saying... and you haven't given me one exception to this... every obvious political trend is left-wing without a single exception.

Ever been a gay character that went straight?
Ever been a traditional minority character that had a tokenized black version?

Any Marvel comics showed the BLM protesters/rioters in a negative light, the same way they did the tea party back in 2009 in a Captain America comic?

Not Marvel, but DC is just as woke, any superhero from another country give up their citizenship in embarassment?

Again, no one's saying its got to be bipartisan. But can anyone here name one point made in a comic in the last 20 years that WASN'T left-wing?

And if you can't, explain how that's not an echochamber of leftism that's devolved into wokeness.

 

[Mike]

see I personally like miles morales a lot but I don’t like Riri Williams at all. I didn’t enjoy the character the same way I liked Amadeus Cho or Miles Morales or Jane Foster.



and yes the clone saga wasn’t very good. I kinda remember dropping spider man at the time. But came back to it again when J Michael S. Starting writing the title again.

I'll admit I never gave Morales a chance at all. Had nothing against there being a black Spiderman, but killing Peter seemed to come out of nowhere and go against everything they were setting up. Stopped reading as soon as he died.

Notice @GearSolidMetal calls every character of a different race a tokenized character cementing his already blatant racism.

was it tokenized when a white man replaced spider man or another white man replaced the Hulk or is it only tokenized when it’s done with a minority or female character.


Is the she hulk a tokenized character?

That's the part I dont get or agree with. It's only tokenism if you don't do anything with the character, changing race or gender just to hit a checklist. That's something you can only judge in hindsight after a work has been completed imo. Not a label you can slap on everything a character is changed. Comics make these changes a lot. Like to me most shallow change I've even seen is Reilly Spiderman. That character had no real depth or anything interesting going on. They were tired of writing Spiderman as a married character, so they were going to put in Reilly just so they can do single Spiderman stories. Hell if that's the only reason, just kill off Mary Jane she sucks anyway

 

[NoSmilez]

I jjst don't get it. It's the same nonsensical conversation every time, BUT WHAT IF THEY MADE A WHITE BLACK PANTHER! Oh really? That's the same thing as taking a setting that is 99% white male characters that are also established money making ips, and changing a small % of those characters to minorities or women? Why don't they change black characters to white characters! Um.... because there aren't very many of them to begin with. So how would doing that broaden their existing demos? Why don't they just make new characters that are minorities! Um.... because they want to continue to profit off of the existing ip, while hopefully reaching a new audience.

Even when something like this new LOTR show says fuck it we WILL just make some new characters, the goalposts get moved to but minorities don't belong in this setting PERIOD. Because it needs to stay.... logical and accurate? The show about wizards, and dragons. Yeah ok. Almost like there's something else that's the real problem.

I don't care if they add new POC characters for a new story. I do get annoyed when they change established characters though. Something like changing Trish Merigold from the Witcher to a non ginger. It isn't about race for me but rather I am used to a certain character. Some characters change when you remove certain traits. They are doing a John Constantine remake now with a black actor taking the lead role. For me this is as bad as Keanu Reeves taking the role. At least give him the iconic wardrobe. It's suppose to be a British blonde hair guy in a tan coat who is really miserable.

On the other hand, I have no issues with the non binary color casting of the upcoming Sandman series. I don't know the series at all so it doesn't bother me to start learning from these characters from scratch. It's like watching Lucifer for the first time. I don't know the comic so all these characters seem fine to me.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

No one's saying there has to be a bipartisan message.

I'm just saying... and you haven't given me one exception to this... every obvious political trend is left-wing without a single exception.

Ever been a gay character that went straight?
Ever been a traditional minority character that had a tokenized black version?

Any Marvel comics showed the BLM protesters/rioters in a negative light, the same way they did the tea party back in 2009 in a Captain America comic?

Not Marvel, but DC is just as woke, any superhero from another country give up their citizenship in embarassment?

Again, no one's saying its got to be bipartisan. But can anyone here name one point made in a comic in the last 20 years that WASN'T left-wing?

And if you can't, explain how that's not an echochamber of leftism that's devolved into wokeness.

imagine saying “ever been a gay character that went straight” as an example of right wing themes.


Omfg you are special.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Yeah I tend to dislike these reboots and ner versions more often than I like them tbh. Didnt like Morales, or Kyle Raynor GL, Ben Reilly Spiderman, Azrael batman. Where I disagree is when people act like it's some new highly politicized element, and not a thing comics have done with varying degrees of success forever.

In the past, all supposedly secret political motivations of writers were given the benefit of the doubt.

Now... all trust is gone.

Some of the ones I did really like were the ultimate avengers including nick fury. Minus the creepy incest lol. And ultimates Spiderman during the Parker run. It's kind of funny that many of the elements from the MCU avengers are taken from the ultimates, and not the 616 avengers. I really liked how closely Spiderman was connected to other events in the universe and they were subtly building him up to be a future leader and member of the avengers. Stuff like the avengers fighting the sinister six, and bringing medical tech to heal Peter when he got shot. Cap telling Peter that he would eventually grow to be the best of all of them. Seemed like there was a lot of foreshadowing and world building going on that they just tossed in a shredder.

The weirdest thing was Ultimate Nick Fury was drawn to not just look like Samuel L Jackson, but it actually was Samuel L Jackson, so when it came time to cast Nick Fury... they got Samuel L Jackson.

And yeah, besides what you mention, A LOT of what was done in The Ultimates line was used in the MCU.

Really makes me wonder what'd happen if they had kept The Ultimates going for another... 15 years... but kept the writing and art quality high.

I still have my hardbacks of The Ultimates, Ultimate Spider-Man, and Ultimate X-Men in a bookshelf in my basement. I'll have to go and pick a few out and read them for the first time in about 10 years.

 

[Mike]

No one's saying there has to be a bipartisan message.

I'm just saying... and you haven't given me one exception to this... every obvious political trend is left-wing without a single exception.

Ever been a gay character that went straight?
Ever been a traditional minority character that had a tokenized black version?

Any Marvel comics showed the BLM protesters/rioters in a negative light, the same way they did the tea party back in 2009 in a Captain America comic?

Not Marvel, but DC is just as woke, any superhero from another country give up their citizenship in embarassment?

Again, no one's saying its got to be bipartisan. But can anyone here name one point made in a comic in the last 20 years that WASN'T left-wing?

And if you can't, explain how that's not an echochamber of leftism that's devolved into wokeness.

I think people write what they know, and comics is an industry that tends to draw in left leaning people more often than not. There's a long history of comics being progressive and left leaning. I mean the xmen as an allegory for civil rights is pretty edgy for a comic written in the 60s.

OTOH there's this:




A video about Ditko being a huge proponent of Ayn Rands objectivism, and that being a large part of why he left mainstream comics. So he could write stories with heroes that espoused objectivism views. Or Moore's watchmen, which is pretty critical of government. Or Morrison, who writes wild subversive stuff thats critical of mainstream society in general like the invisibles. There's enough wild and strange stuff out there for me to believe that writers are often relatively free to express themselves. Maybe they're generally not interested in writing right wing political stuff, or those comics aren't popular enough to get mainstream attention.

 

[Mike]

I don't care if they add new POC characters for a new story. I do get annoyed when they change established characters though. Something like changing Trish Merigold from the Witcher to a non ginger. It isn't about race for me but rather I am used to a certain character. Some characters change when you remove certain traits. They are doing a John Constantine remake now with a black actor taking the lead role. For me this is as bad as Keanu Reeves taking the role. At least give him the iconic wardrobe. It's suppose to be a British blonde hair guy in a tan coat who is really miserable.

On the other hand, I have no issues with the non binary color casting of the upcoming Sandman series. I don't know the series at all so it doesn't bother me to start learning from these characters from scratch. It's like watching Lucifer for the first time. I don't know the comic so all these characters seem fine to me.

That's fair enough. My experience is often people just don't like established characters they're a fan of being changed. I often don't care for it either. I just find it frustrating when people either act like it's an entirely new thing, or part of an anti white political agenda. When usually it's either an attempt to make more money, or a result of the people adapting a property not caring about the original characters.

 

[NoSmilez]

That's fair enough. My experience is often people just don't like established characters they're a fan of being changed. I often don't care for it either. I just find it frustrating when people either act like it's an entirely new thing, or part of an anti white political agenda. When usually it's either an attempt to make more money, or a result of the people adapting a property not caring about the original characters.

Oh definitely it is a money grab. It's not some agenda to replace white people. There are people who don't even consume the media but they get angry when a character gets race swapped. POC living in middle earth isn't going to ruin the franchise.

Personally in terms of animation, I moved on to watching Japanese anime. Western fans are cancerous though. They are the cheapest consumers of the media but want to dictate the way stories according to their norms.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Maybe they're generally not interested in writing right wing political stuff, or those comics aren't popular enough to get mainstream attention.

Or...... they're filtered out.

Ta-Nehisi Coates was an activist that wrote novels with the black community at the target demographic and they didn't put America in a positive light, and his agent hooked him up with a Marvel gig to write for Black Panther, which is fine.

But explain a writer with that background was approved within Marvel and DC to write the two comic characters who's uniforms are American iconography.

Captain America
Superman

The argument for 'Left-Wing writers are the best writers' has been dead for a long time, and left-wing writers killed it.

 

[NoSmilez]

Listen SmoothbrainSteveAustin, when I said 'Your Reading Comprehension Is Shit,' I was referring to an earlier post I made in the thread recalling a few original and creative black comicbook characters made in the 1970s-1980s, that WEREN'T TOKENIZED, calling attention and criticizing modern writers for NOT making original and creative black characters and just making all new black characters tokenized versions of popular white characters.

Storm?
Blade?
Deathlok?
Bishop?

And I intentionally left out Black Panther and Luke Cage because they're too easy to mention.


And you, SmoothBrainSteveAustin, said 'GearSolidMetal' calls every character of a different race a tokenized character cementing his already blatant racism."

Never stop reminding everyone how retarded you are.

Spawn!!! They need to redo a live action series. CGI is so much better nowadays and they can make his character come alive.

Also I would like to see a Brother Voodoo series as opposed to a Black Constantine character. They both deal with supernatural.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Spawn!!! They need to redo a live action series. CGI is so much better nowadays and they can make his character come alive.

Also I would like to see a Brother Voodoo series as opposed to a Black Constantine character. They both deal with supernatural.

Spawn isn't Marvel.

If we went beyond Marvel and into DC and other brands I could add another dozen names to that list just off the top of my head.

 

[crabmeat]

Comics have always been political. Captain America wears the American flag as a costume and made his name beating up nazis.
1986 was a big year for comics. Maus was published and Frank Millers Dark Knight was released and so was Watchmen. These are all very political and have political themes throughout. Wonder Woman is a feminist trope and of course the Xmen were about inclusivity before that term was coined. That’s just the tip of the iceberg though. You can look at V is for Vendetta or Hellblazer. Even Siegel and Schuster created superman to tackle the things that they felt we’re threats. Punisher, at times, could be looked at as a right wing power fantasy. Or Garth Ennis’s version which tackled themes of American imperialism. Or the 80s Xmen storyline God Loves, Man Kills. These stories all have political themes associated with them.

most of their complaints are just recycled right wing nonsense spewed out of some type of YouTube channel they like to repeat. They have very fragile egos and the majority of them are angry white men.

when guys like @GearSolidMetal complain about “politics” in comics they don’t really mean things are too political they just really mean they’re too inclusive. And if you follow his argument you can see that is painfully obvious. Minorities, women, homosexuals, etc etc etc. In fact he refers to minority characters as “tokens.”


This panel is a great representation how they view these out groups. That’s how they feel about inclusivity in comics and the group’s that are included. Just look at their stance on trans people. If you went back 20-30 years it was the same stance they had about homosexuals.

Not even the X-Men liked him. They sent him to Excalibur.

 

[NoSmilez]

It's ok. In ten years or so stuff like superman's copyright will run out. Anyone and their mom can do a superman movie

 

[Fluffernutter]

It's ok. In ten years or so stuff like superman's copyright will run out. Anyone and their mom can do a superman movie

Warner Media will probably keep lobbying to push back the public domain laws. It's what Disney has been doing to protect Mickey Mouse from losing it's copyright

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Update: July 22, 2022

First Look at X-MEN '97 from Comic-Con; Magneto Will Be Leading the X-Men Team

 

[heavyarms21]

Update: July 22, 2022

First Look at X-MEN '97 from Comic-Con; Magneto Will Be Leading the X-Men Team

Looks good , seems to have the aesthetics of the original series and looks clean , for now anyways

 

[Mike]

Update: July 22, 2022

First Look at X-MEN '97 from Comic-Con; Magneto Will Be Leading the X-Men Team

Woooow this looks awesome! Love 90s Sinister too so I'm glad to see him front and center.

 

[Corona]

Hopefully this shit doesn’t end up being woke/political. Looks promising tho

 

[ScarfaceJr]

Ngl my first thought upon seeing this thread is that they'll ruin the show with wokeism nonsense.

 

[RollSonnenRoll]

Update: July 22, 2022

First Look at X-MEN '97 from Comic-Con; Magneto Will Be Leading the X-Men Team

Like seeing an old friend