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[waiguoren]

No, but Breitbart is very openly pushing political propaganda. Different business model, which is why I said, "We're talking about the NYT or a similar outlet."

How do you know that Breitbart is "very openly pushing political propaganda"? Could you have known that by browsing their headlines over a matter of months?

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

This made me lol harder than I should

 

[Jack V Savage]

How do you know that Breitbart is "very openly pushing political propaganda"? Could you have known that by browsing their headlines over a matter of months?

It's part of the mission. Breitbart himself conceived it as a right-wing version of Huffpo, and Bannon referred to it as a platform for the Alt Right. Etc. They're not in the same business.

 

[waiguoren]

It's part of the mission. Breitbart himself conceived it as a right-wing version of Huffpo, and Bannon referred to it as a platform for the Alt Right. Etc. They're not in the same business.

You didn't answer my question. Could you have known that Breitbart had a pro-Trump bias merely by browsing the Breitbart front page over a matter of months?



(The answer is yes, Mr. Jack. Yes, you could have.)

 

[HockeyBjj]

Huh. Apparently Katy Perry is getting herself meTooed for pulling some guys cock out at a roller rink to show her friends back in 2010. Some dude from a music viceo of hers (who I guess was packing)

 

[Jack V Savage]

You didn't answer my question. Could you have known that Breitbart had a pro-Trump bias merely by browsing the Breitbart front page over a matter of months?

(The answer is yes, Mr. Jack. Yes, you could have.)

Of course you can tell. But I'm saying that they're not the NYT or a similar outlet. If I started a Julian Castro anti-fan site, and everyone headline was about how bad Castro is, you could certainly detect a bias. But that's not relevant to the discussion.

 

[Higus]

 

[Lead]

@HockeyBjj

Someone mentioned it above but I realized I can make a big pm and possibly just leave it afterwards. Who are the people you need to include?

 

[waiguoren]

Of course you can tell. But I'm saying that they're not the NYT or a similar outlet. If I started a Julian Castro anti-fan site, and everyone headline was about how bad Castro is, you could certainly detect a bias. But that's not relevant to the discussion.

It's an epistemological question. Do informed readers have the ability to detect systematic skew in headlines without prior knowledge of the "mission" or anything else happening behind the scenes? You appear to answer 'yes'.

The only remaining question is one of sensitivity. How finely tuned can one be at detecting this bias? Perhaps that is where we differ. If the average Biden headline at outlet X is 30% more negative than the average Harris headline, could you detect it? I think yes.

 

[Gregolian]

Huh. Apparently Katy Perry is getting herself meTooed for pulling some guys cock out at a roller rink to show her friends back in 2010. Some dude from a music viceo of hers (who I guess was packing)

Didn't some contestant on some show get pissed off she kissed him on the cheek too?

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Just got carded for this:

Farmer Brown said:

President Trump is smarter than you:

Fact.

To the extent that you don't think that's true, is the extent that you're wrong.
​

Trotsky said:

You're too stupid to recognize or understand intelligence.

Fact.
​

I think you all can guess whether Farmer Brown was also carded, even though he initiated the exchange. I think you all can also guess who the infracting moderator was.

 

[waiguoren]

Now offering bet:

Bernard Sanders will pass Elizabeth Warren in national polling average within the next three weeks.

 

[Andy Capp]

Gosh, I dunno. The american system of having different levels of crime is so fucking retarded it's hard to tell. So I'll just say ''different culture, hard to judge.''

<{monica}>I liked that post a lot.

Honestly can't wait to get in my own room even if I don't have a mattress or frame yet. SO I CAN HIDE FROM THE 3 YEAR OLD ASKING ME QUESTIONS CONSTANTLY.

I get that's how kids that age learn but fuck child, you JUST asked me like 4 minutes ago "what are you doing?" when I was surfing YouTube and nothing's changed...

I don't have kids so take this FWIW, but I'd say the question is more about trying to get you to say, "What are you doing," or, "What do you want to do?"

My theory is that one would find that if one were already determined to find that. Can you link to a study or even just a list of headlines so we can compare?

Coincidentally, I wrote a paper in university on the topic of whether an outlet's headlines may be intentionally misleading and, while it wasn't scientifically rigorous, the process was enough to convince me it can happen.

I was attempting to imply that no such study exists. The reason I believe what I wrote is that I browse NYT every day, multiple times a day and have done so for years.

And that's where you'd be wrong (yet again.)
"We demonstrate that misleading headlines affect readers' memory, their inferential reasoning and behavioral intentions, as well as the impressions people form of faces."

I didn't want to pay for the full paper, but this New Yorker piece expands on the findings:
https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/headlines-change-way-think
"The headline, it turns out, had done more than simply reframe the article. In the case of the factual articles, a misleading headline hurt a reader’s ability to recall the article’s details. That is, the parts that were in line with the headline, such as a declining burglary rate, were easier to remember than the opposing, non-headlined trend. Inferences, however, remained sound: the misdirection was blatant enough that readers were aware of it and proceeded to correct their impressions accordingly. According to the study, “No matter which headline they saw, they predicted that, next year, the crime rate would go down.”

In the case of opinion articles, however, a misleading headline, like the one suggesting that genetically modified foods are dangerous, impaired a reader’s ability to make accurate inferences. For instance, when asked to predict the future public-health costs of genetically modified foods, people who had read the misleading headline predicted a far greater cost than the evidence had warranted."

Edit:
and another,
https://www.studentnewsdaily.com/example-of-media-bias/why-headlines-matter-2/
Fortunately, there is good news,
Younger Americans are better than older Americans at telling factual news statements from opinions

Note that I'm not claiming anything regarding the intent behind that particular headline, but unless you can show editorial interference it would seem that any issue would be a problem with that one reporter, and unless you can show a clear pattern of this behavior over time, I'd be forced to say I've seen far worse.

 

[HockeyBjj]

@HockeyBjj

Someone mentioned it above but I realized I can make a big pm and possibly just leave it afterwards. Who are the people you need to include?

That would be perfect. Thank you

@HockeyBjj
@Trotsky
@Gregolian
@zebby23
@kpt018
@PolishHeadlock2
@MMAisGod
@sickc0d3r
@Lowmanproblems

Can you add more people after it's created? We're hoping to get 1 or 3 more. If not or if we awkwardly get 2, we'll add one if the guys below

@Falsedawn
@Execute

Tagging everyone to give heads up for pm invite. Also to make sure I didn't typo or abbreviate anyone's name

 

[Trotsky]

You flamed another poster in the WR (and outside the Lounge thread).

True. But my post was in reply to someone insulting me first. These would be examples of someone flaming another poster without provocation:

When someone is too stupid to maintain self-aware consistency for two consecutive sentences, ladies and gentlemen.

OMFG, are you really this dumb?

You are so hopelessly naive.

This is acceptable up into your early 20's. After that, we just call it "stupid".

LOL, typical dumb response I'd expect from a socialist.

Those, unlike my post, were naked flaming.

And, consistent with the First Amendment, I really do believe that truth is an absolute defense. So, in my defense, @Farmer Br0wn really is not intelligent enough to understand a lot of things, and one of those things is clearly the concept of intelligence itself. That is as undeniable as the fact that @MadDildo is a sexless, underachieving loser with no friends and a tiny dick. And me telling Farmer Brown that is far, far closer to the mere statement of fact than him telling me I'm dumber than Donald Trump.

 

[waiguoren]

And that's where you'd be wrong (yet again.)

Slow down. Nothing you posted contradicted what I wrote. I wrote that I'm confident no study exists analyzing NYT headlines for pro- or anti-candidate bias over the past four months (or comparable period for this primary cycle, e.g., six months). I still believe that to be accurate, and I doubt seriously you can produce a study showing otherwise.

 

[Gregolian]

I don't have kids so take this FWIW, but I'd say the question is more about trying to get you to say, "What are you doing," or, "What do you want to do?"

Well I don't play that game as it seems to be a waste and stupid. I was raised in the school of "children are to be seen not heard"

 

[Andy Capp]

Well I don't play that game as it seems to be a waste and stupid. I was raised in the school of "children are to be seen not heard"

Just trying to answer the "why" of your previous post, not the should or should not. There's a lot of reasons I have no kids and that's on the list.

 

[Quipling]

Jesus. That’s totally fucked. Thank god that doesn’t happen out here.

Yeah. They're not very common compared to other kinds of 1983 cases, but they do sometimes occur.

Here's a pretty egregious example from Connecticut:

Spoiler

On May 6, 2008, Mr. Lyle appeared in criminal court, where his case was continued. Mr. Lyle was returned to HCC, and two days later, on May 8, he requested a consultation with the medical staff. Mr. Lyle complained of difficulty sleeping and experiencing thoughts of suicide. See id. ¶ 18. Plaintiff also alleges that HCC's custodial staff had reported to the health care professionals that Mr. Lyle had been observed crying in his cell. As a result of the consultation, Mr. Lyle was reclassified as MH5 and placed again on suicide watch. See id. ¶¶ 18-19. Mr. Lyle was reexamined on May 11, but no changes were made to his Mental Health Need classification.

Mr. Lyle remained at HCC on suicide watch until May 13, when the mental health staff arranged for him to be transferred to the Garner Correctional Institute ("Garner") out of concerns that he was actively suicidal. See id. ¶¶ 21-22. Upon arrival at Garner, Mr. Lyle was examined and classified as MH4, indicating a "[m]ental [h]ealth disorder severe enough to require specialized housing or ongoing intensive mental health treatment." DOC Objective Classification Manual 29. In accordance with that classification, Mr. Lyle was placed in a specialized housing unit at Garner. See Compl. [doc. # 31] ¶ 28. On May 15, Mr. Lyle was evaluated by Defendant Dr. Gasparo, a psychiatrist and a contract employee of CMHC. Plaintiff alleges that Dr. Gasparo is the individual primarily responsible for the delivery of mental health care services for the DOC, including at Garner. See id. ¶ 6. Plaintiff alleges that when Dr. Gasparo evaluated Mr. Lyle on May 15, he knew that Mr. Lyle had previously attempted suicide, and that he had been transferred to Garner for fear that he would again attempt to harm himself. See id. ¶¶ 53-55. Dr. Gasparo confirmed Mr. Lyle's previous diagnoses and his classification at MH4, but changed the dosage of the anti-depressant, Effexor, and discontinued both suicide watch and the use of the anti-psychotic medication Risperadol. See id. ¶ 27.

Plaintiff also alleges that Dr. Gasparo instructed that Mr. Lyle be transferred out of specialized housing and into the Charlie Unit, where he was transferred later that day. See id. ¶ 28. Mr. Lyle was placed in cell 206 of the Charlie Unit . . .

Inmates housed in the Charlie Unit — apparently unlike those in the specialized housing unit where Mr. Lyle was held from May 11 until May 15 — have the ability to turn the cell's lights on and off at will. See id.Additionally, the Charlie Unit has bunk-style beds, which are outfitted with standard-issue sheets and pillow case — both of which would play a role in Mr. Lyle's suicide. Once transferred to the Charlie Unit, Mr. Lyle was given standard DOC clothing, whereas previously he had been given only a "suicide gown." See id.

Defendant Samson, who worked for CMHC as a Licensed Mental Health Counselor, see id. ¶ 5, evaluated Mr. Lyle on May 16 in order to develop a treatment plan for his mental health needs, id. at ¶ 31. Plaintiff alleges that both Mr. Samson and Dr. Gasparo failed to examine Mr. Lyle's mental health records — which allegedly contained extensive documentation of past suicide attempts and serious mental health needs — despite their ready availability. See id. ¶¶ 32-33, 54-59. Additionally, Plaintiff alleges that after Me. Lyle's cellmate was transferred out of the Charlie Unit on May 19, Mr. Samson, as well as Dr. Gasparo, Lt. Gagnon, and other DOC staff, knew from their personal observations that Mr. Lyle continued to be housed in a cell by himself, in contravention of DOC policies regarding detainees with Mr. Lyle's identified mental health needs. See id. ¶¶ 35-36.

Mr. Lyle allegedly had his last encounter with Dr. Gasparo during a five minute "unscheduled" encounter on May 20, when Mr. Lyle forcibly grabbed the doctor while they were both at the Charlie Unit's nursing station. See id. ¶ 37. Mr. Lyle allegedly demanded that Dr. Gasparo adjust his medication, complaining that it was causing him insomnia and not to feel "right." See id. Dr. Gasparo agreed to change the dosage of Mr. Lyle's anti-depressant medication, and while he noted the adjustment on a physicians' orders sheet, Plaintiff alleges that he failed to do so with regard to Mr. Lyle's clinical records, meaning that neither Mr. Samson nor the other DOC staff were aware of the change in medication or Dr. Gasparo's encounter with Mr. Lyle. See id. ¶¶ 38-42, 66. The following day, May 21, Mr. Lyle had an informal discussion with Mr. Samson, in which Mr. Lyle again complained of insomnia-caused anxiety, which he ascribed to his medication. See id. ¶ 43. Mr. Lyle allegedly requested reading material of Mr. Samson, who was unable to provide any at that time. See id.Plaintiff alleges that Mr. Samson failed to notify anyone of Mr. Lyle's anxiety. See id.

Mr. Lyle took his own life later that evening.

Huh. Apparently Katy Perry is getting herself meTooed for pulling some guys cock out at a roller rink to show her friends back in 2010. Some dude from a music viceo of hers (who I guess was packing)

Man, those nuns fight dirty.

 

[Nate banged my mom]

Great news. Trump has done everything to run this country into the ground. The more we can stand up to him the better

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