Wrestling gets you in better shape than BJJ/Judo

[RJ Powell**]

Both are great and in shape for what they do.

I don't see the argument here.

Do you see a wrestler doing the same drills as a BJJ guy and not gassing out?

Its all about muscle memory and physical adaptation.

Same thing if a grappler tried his hand at Muay Thai or Boxing training. Who would be in better shape then?

 

[RJ Powell**]

Seriously though, define "in shape"

in shape for what? For a surfing contest?

This thread is all ridiculous and stereotypical.

These sports are DIFFERENT. SHIT!

 

[Q mystic]

Seriously though, define "in shape"

in shape for what? For a surfing contest?

This thread is all ridiculous and stereotypical.

These sports are DIFFERENT. SHIT!

I envy that you just said 'surfing contest' in a grappling debate.

I liked to think that bjj is better for standing at an assembly line 56 hours/wk.

 

[omgitsrick]

Both are great and in shape for what they do.

I don't see the argument here.

Do you see a wrestler doing the same drills as a BJJ guy and not gassing out?

Its all about muscle memory and physical adaptation.

Same thing if a grappler tried his hand at Muay Thai or Boxing training. Who would be in better shape then?

Yes

 

[Q mystic]

Yes

No. Not near keeping the same 'proper' tech. Not close.They're just not built for it. Neither is a judoka and I'm a judohead, Ill bullshit you if I can.:icon_lol:

You would have to adapt especially if you were good. Randleman and Coleman clearly chose not to do any of that.

 

[omgitsrick]

No. Not near keeping the same 'proper' tech. Not close.They're just not built for it. Neither is a judoka and I'm a judohead, Ill bullshit you if I can.:icon_lol:

You would have to adapt especially if you were good. Randleman and Coleman clearly chose not to do any of that.

Tech comes from repetition, if you brought in a wrestler to a class and sat him with some blue belts or something and did drills til he gassed I'm sure he'd last as long or longer than the others.

 

[RJ Powell**]

Not gassing comes from repetition and muscle memory also.

 

[anaconda]

Depends upon the level of competition. Olympic level judoka and wrestlers are at the same level of conditioning (they actually measure it at the olympic training camps, VO2 max etc). It's likely that ADCC finalists are at the same level as well, as well as most top level MMA folks (Fedor, Big Nog etc). When you're a professional athlete (which is what that level is), you absolutely cannot afford to get tired, so fitness is something they approach very scientifically.

At lower levels it depends, though in general BJJ'ers don't work fitness and strength as much as judo and wrestling do. And BJJ and judo both have recreational people who aren't particularly fit as all, whereas wrestling doesn't have recreational athletes.

post #6 and the thread should have been over.

 

[Q mystic]

Tech comes from repetition, if you brought in a wrestler to a class and sat him with some blue belts or something and did drills til he gassed I'm sure he'd last as long or longer than the others.

Nope. Not even steven. Not close. You're just used to seeing too many good wrestlers I bet. Good tuff bjjers are harder to find but you'll know when you found one. They are just as impressive if not moreso in being more unique.

Alot of wrestlers arent all that eh. They gotta be good.

You can be a tuff as shit wrestler or judoka but you aint subbing them and when it gets going a while into the match, you'll figure it out. The tide turns fast on tech and conditioning there.

What I've noticed in training with bjjers in my pov is that they dont go hard but they keep going over and over to where you just wanna say, 'ok, fuck this, you go ahead'.LOL

Wrestlers and judoka dont have the patience. We're like adhd compared.:icon_lol:

 

[Happy Boy]

Tech comes from repetition, if you brought in a wrestler to a class and sat him with some blue belts or something and did drills til he gassed I'm sure he'd last as long or longer than the others.

Pretty ridiculous statement. If that was a high level, competition orientated club that would not be the case at all.

 

[hayliks]

You calling people retards doesn't make you right. There may be some "string bean" wrestlers and there are some Monson size grapplers. Neither of which is typical. What I was saying in a previous post where you called me a retard was that the technique in wrestling is much better applied with strength. There are many more unassuming BJJ guys than wrestlers, i.e. Cooper, Kron Gracie, Glover, Roger Gracie, Marcelo, Moares, Lovato Jr., etc.

Like I also said, in 10 years, you're going to have the top bjj guys look and compete like olympian wrestlers.

 

[sprite]

Like I also said, in 10 years, you're going to have the top bjj guys look and compete like olympian wrestlers.

you don't know what you are talking about. black belts already compete very intensely like olympic wrestlers. most of the black belts are built and look like olympic wrestlers. you obviously didn't go see the mundials this year.

 

[hayliks]

you don't know what you are talking about. black belts already compete very intensely like olympic wrestlers. most of the black belts are built and look like olympic wrestlers. you obviously didn't go see the mundials this year.

coming from a bjj white belt, hah. if you equate the guys to be as in shape and as intense as olympic wrestlers, you should really get your vision checked out. I've seen about a dozen matches from this year, and I have dvd's of the mundials from 2001-2005. I've seen a small progression with guys like Jacare, Galvao, and Lovato Jr. in terms of physique and intensity in a match, but it is not even close to that of olympic wrestlers. just get out of this thread, you are truly the epitome of the definition of ignorant.

 

[knoxpk]

The type of condition is relative to the sport and the ahtletes in the sport.

Competetive BJJ'rs are going to have different strengths and weakness compare to competetive wrestlers.

I will admit that wrestling is a very intense type of workout and it combines cardio, muscular endurance and strength desinged to go at a very fast pace for 6 minutes or so.

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

coming from a bjj white belt, hah. if you equate the guys to be as in shape and as intense as olympic wrestlers, you should really get your vision checked out. I've seen about a dozen matches from this year, and I have dvd's of the mundials from 2001-2005. I've seen a small progression with guys like Jacare, Galvao, and Lovato Jr. in terms of physique and intensity in a match, but it is not even close to that of olympic wrestlers. just get out of this thread, you are truly the epitome of the definition of ignorant.

As everyone knows, you can look at a person and immediately know what kind of shape they're in.

 

[knoxpk]

As everyone knows, you can look at a person and immediately know what kind of shape they're in.

In all fairness you can generally pick out the wrestlers in a crowd. Especially if they had been doing it for some time.

Not just the ears either, LOL.

But this is a generalization of course since all types of builds can compete in wrestling, just the goods onces start to take a certain "shape" due to the training the have to go through.

Again that is very general to say the least.

 

[rampage22]

at the school i train at, to get ready for competition we condition for a half hour. It includes alot of body weight exercises at super high reps. And concludes with 10 minutes straight scarecrow drill. So i would put my conditioning with a wrestler, well actually have and won. So its all in how hard you train.

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

at the school i train at, to get ready for competition we condition for a half hour. It includes alot of body weight exercises at super high reps. And concludes with 10 minutes straight scarecrow drill. So i would put my conditioning with a wrestler, well actually have and won. So its all in how hard you train.

Exactly. The thread starter could go to a BJJ camp in Brazil and see how hard they train. A lot of them are poor and see BJJ as their way out of the getto. It is a job for them and that's how they train for it. It is about how hard you train, not what you train. There's also a selection bias in the shapes of BJJ fighters/Judoka vs wrestlers. Most people start BJJ in America in their 20s-30s, and many start even older. You have the recreational people mixed with the competitive grapplers too. Nobody is turned away because of lack of fitness or ability as long as they can pay to keep the club running. Wrestling practices at the start of the season are often specifically intended to weed out the weak and non-dedicated, on the other hand.

Most people start wrestling in America in their teens, and many start even earlier. For them, wrestling was the first hard thing they ever did. It might not be the hardest thing, but it leaves that impression. Everyone thinks their childhood was harder, more intense, more enjoyable, or just better than things they do as an adult. The whole reason catch is popular with some is because of their idolization of the past. For many of the Gracies, it is the same for them. It's why fashions come and go, political philosophies become mainstream then fall back to obscurity, tastes cycle with the generations. So that's another reason why in you see lots of athletes looking down on other styles. Age as a way of idolizing one's youth.

 

[omgitsrick]

coming from a bjj white belt, hah. if you equate the guys to be as in shape and as intense as olympic wrestlers, you should really get your vision checked out. I've seen about a dozen matches from this year, and I have dvd's of the mundials from 2001-2005. I've seen a small progression with guys like Jacare, Galvao, and Lovato Jr. in terms of physique and intensity in a match, but it is not even close to that of olympic wrestlers. just get out of this thread, you are truly the epitome of the definition of ignorant.

I agree with this statement

 

[omgitsrick]

at the school i train at, to get ready for competition we condition for a half hour. It includes alot of body weight exercises at super high reps. And concludes with 10 minutes straight scarecrow drill. So i would put my conditioning with a wrestler, well actually have and won. So its all in how hard you train.

Half hour of conditioning is nothing bro, during summer wrestling condition practices last like 3 hours.