Wrestler VS Bodybuilder massive size difference.

[MartinGibson86]

structural strength is different from functional strength

And wrestling ability is different than functional strength.

That video is no indication of the big guy's functional strength at all.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

In bench press, maybe.

Maybe?

best I ever did on the flat bench was 550 for 2 reps.

/Cutler

 

[Deleted member 466273]

And wrestling ability is different than functional strength.
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Wrestlings functional strength is precisely why happy meal belly Daniel Cormier can outwrestle Anthony Johnson with ease.

 

[Brandon Wilson]

Any bodybuilder with 6 months of traning mma would just destroy most mma heavyweights. Too strong

If you honestly believe that, you're an idiot.

Mariusz Pudzianowski was a 5x world's strongest man winner, and runner up 2x. He's now a MMA with a 13-7-1 record, fighting in the bush leagues of MMA.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

 

[aus101]

It's not that they don't have it, it's that they don't use it..Explain the principles behind it to them and the will be very capable wrestlers.

Their problem isn’t strength it’s endurance, they usually minimise cardio. Of course you could also say they have no technique and a shallow/empty move pool as well.

 

[Bearknuckle]

If you honestly believe that, you're an idiot.

Mariusz Pudzianowski was a 5x world's strongest man winner, and runner up 2x. He's now a MMA with a 13-7-1 record, fighting in the bush leagues of MMA.

He was old when he entered mma n still beat 13 people

 

[MartinGibson86]

Wrestlings functional strength is precisely why happy meal belly Daniel Cormier can outwrestle Anthony Johnson with ease.

Or hes just a better wrestler.

 

[Ackmed]

Functional strength=using your entire body for a given task - pull ups/chin ups, wrestling, arm wrestling (done correctly). Isolated strength=machines, bench press, dumbells, things that isolate and in fact our counter to functional strength since using your entire body for those things can result in overload (back problems as one example.)

Lol bench press is an "isolation" movement even though it uses several muscles, yet chinups are "functional" because they use "the whole body"? (they actually dont)

You probably think dips and pushups show functional strength while bench press does not because the latter uses weights and the former uses bodyweight. In actuality dips & pushups help you bench press more and bench pressing helps you dip and pushup more.

So its false that these are exclusive forms of strength.

The same for barbell rows vs chinups

 

[Brandon Wilson]

He was old when he entered mma n still beat 13 people

In the bush leagues. Juiced to the gills. Against a bunch of nobodies. And he lost 7x.

Kind of flies in the face of you saying a Bodybuilder with 6 months training would destroy most MMA HW.

 

[Grijswaarde]

Functional strength=using your entire body for a given task - pull ups/chin ups, wrestling, arm wrestling (done correctly). Isolated strength=machines, bench press, dumbells, things that isolate and in fact our counter to functional strength since using your entire body for those things can result in overload (back problems as one example.)

The thing is people seem to think bodybuilders only use isolated exercises (bench press is not one of them though), but most pro bodybuilders do a lot of deadlift, squat etc. Those execises form the base of their size and strength. Then, after bulking to beast size proportions, most of them use isolation exercises to emphasize certain bodyparts.

Bodybuilders have no functional strength = a myth.

 

[arcadeperfect]

That's not true... obviously powerlifters and strongmen are stronger... duh.. but any pro bodybuilder will SEVERELY outlift a random person. They all do a lot of compound exercises, albeit in the 10-20 rep range.

He's talking about functional strength. A bodybuilder will probably lift more weights than a wrestler but when it comes to actual real life scenarios the wrestler has more useful strength.

 

[Hotei]

Now let's see the wrestler pose.

 

[Grijswaarde]

He's talking about functional strength. A bodybuilder will probably lift more weights than a wrestler but when it comes to actual real life scenarios the wrestler has more useful strength.

Yes but the thing is i don't agree that bodybuilders have less functional strength. People only see the finetuning (pumping small muscles, isolation etc), but miss the years and years of huge compound exercises. I have never wrestled but i am strong and can throw around basically anyone below 200 lbs who has no background in fighting.

Edit: I am not a bodybuilder btw, kinda looks like that reading above

 

[arcadeperfect]

Yes but the thing is i don't agree that bodybuilders have less functional strength. People only see the finetuning (pumping small muscles, isolation etc), but miss the years and years of huge compound exercises. I have never wrestled but i am strong and can throw around basically anyone below 200 lbs who has no background in fighting.

Edit: I am not a bodybuilder btw, kinda looks like that reading above

Yeah but you said "no background in fighting" which means you aren't throwing around a wrestler/grappler. Obviously lifting will increase your overall strength but if you compare functional strength to any good grappler there's a noticeable difference.

 

[Grijswaarde]

Yeah but you said "no background in fighting" which means you aren't throwing around a wrestler/grappler. Obviously lifting will increase your overall strength but if you compare functional strength to any good grappler there's a noticeable difference.

Ah ok so in this case we are talking about functional strength as in: grappling strength. Yes in that case without a doubt.

To me lifting heavy shit is also functional, depends on what the definition is yes. I guess we agree then

 

[RJK]

Lots of humility from the bodybuilder.

 

[MMAart]

Nice bump. That's a beautiful display of wrestling techniques.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

The thing is people seem to think bodybuilders only use isolated exercises (bench press is not one of them though), but most pro bodybuilders do a lot of deadlift, squat etc. Those execises form the base of their size and strength. Then, after bulking to beast size proportions, most of them use isolation exercises to emphasize certain bodyparts.

Bodybuilders have no functional strength = a myth.

Whatever you call bench press, it is not a functional strength exercise. Targeting one or two muscles is not functional strength. I don't know what modern bodybuilders do, but old school ones certainly did functional strength stuff as well

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Bodybuilder using functional strength


And here's one NOT using it