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Trotsky said:
I'm not sure that your description of the vote is necessarily reflective of the participants in political discourse. That is, I don't think disaffected moderates that went to Bernie were all that engaged in the primary process. The group that was engaged was disproportionately left and disproportionately young.



I don't want to get too deeply into this because I would have to reacquaint myself with the reports. But my recollection is that even Warren's own staffers sided with Sanders' version of the events, that no one confirmed Warren's version, and that Sanders' version was the only one that was remotely consistent with his past actions (namely, urging Warren to run in the previous cycle). Yet Warren confirmed on the stage (iirc) her claim that Sanders flat out said "a woman can't win."

I kind of expected to drift toward your position (that it wasn't a big deal) over time. But, more than a year later, it still strikes me as a particularly toxic and unseemly thing: to purposefully leak a report like that, which has no bearing on policy but rather is specifically aimed at an opponent's character, in a pivotal point in a race and to then more or less refuse to engage the topic and instead feign indignation.



Damn. We disagree greatly here as well.

Omar is an iconic character to me. He was pretty unprecedented as a character. Gay, black, functionally illiterate, a violent criminal, and yet exceptionally moral and revered by all. Probably the first gay character in a major drama to become a fan favorite of straight white men.

Can't think of any other characters I was really interested in. Frank Sobota obviously. A couple of the kid actors, Wee Bey's son and the kid who looked like Lil Bow Wow.



I'm not meaning it as a pejorative. I think there needs to be a term to describe the phenomenon of culturally updated standards of discourse, especially when language varies so much by class. And I think there has been a process of partial reclamation and de-stigmatization of "woke" by the left. Anyways, what I meant was that I would expect that CTH would be more sensitive to sexism and problematic language (using "undocumented" rather than "illegal" immigrant, using "transgender" rather than "transgendered" or "transsexual," etc.).

However, as an aside, I do think that scorning about language (or what Michael Brooks called "woke-scolding") can be problematic, particularly when it is done across class. Having been a working class person in upper class contexts, I can attest to it being very humiliating at times.
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Chris was my favorite character.
 
PolishHeadlock2 said:
Sadder ending, Randy or Dookie?
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Randy I think. As mean as this will sound... Randy HAD a caring family. She may not have been his biological mother but the foster mother he had cared for him like he was her own child and he had a shot of "breaking the cycle". Dookie no matter how smart he was and how much Prez took an interest in him, the moment he was pulled away from Michael, Randy, and the other boys to be in the advanced academics class was the moment he was likely lost as he seemed to lose all motivation for anything and ended up selling on the street.

The moment though that Webay advocated for Bunny to take his son is one of the other few feel good moments in that show. Webay was able to recognize that his life path wasn't one that you would want your child to follow and though it probably hurt his pride he was willing to do that for the sake of his kid.
 
Anung Un Rama said:
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Jared is up there for GOAT sitcom characters.
 
Trotsky said:
Damn. We disagree greatly here as well.

Omar is an iconic character to me. He was pretty unprecedented as a character. Gay, black, functionally illiterate, a violent criminal, and yet exceptionally moral and revered by all. Probably the first gay character in a major drama to become a fan favorite of straight white men.
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It's SOBOTKA.

 
Gregolian said:
Randy I think. As mean as this will sound... Randy HAD a caring family. She may not have been his biological mother but the foster mother he had cared for him like he was her own child and he had a shot of "breaking the cycle". Dookie no matter how smart he was and how much Prez took an interest in him, the moment he was pulled away from Michael, Randy, and the other boys to be in the advanced academics class was the moment he was likely lost as he seemed to lose all motivation for anything and ended up selling on the street.

The moment though that Webay advocated for Bunny to take his son is one of the other few feel good moments in that show. Webay was able to recognize that his life path wasn't one that you would want your child to follow and though it probably hurt his pride he was willing to do that for the sake of his kid.
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Randy isn't on the street and still has a shot at life, though. Dookie is completely fucked. Zero family. Zero support system. Unlike Randy, Dookie never had a chance to begin with which to me is way sadder than what happened to Randy.
 
No one could provide me with Sherdog Rewind archives and my usual trick of leveraging foot pics will not work. This is truly number one bullshit.
 
CubicleGangster said:
Randy isn't on the street and still has a shot at life, though. Dookie is completely fucked. Zero family. Zero support system. Unlike Randy, Dookie never had a chance to begin with which to me is way sadder than what happened to Randy.
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I can see that but there's arguments out there (I don't completely agree with them though)... that if you never had a shot are you missing all that much sometimes?

Take like an orphan vs someone that had their parents taken from them at a young age. They're both essentially parentless but can the person that never knew their parents feel the same things the kid that got to know their parents then lost them can feel?

The pain is still real but isn't it a different kind of pain?
 
PolishHeadlock2 said:
The precursor to Omar (badass gay dude) was Willem Defoe's character in Boondock Saints
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I only saw that movie once, but I did not like it or WD's character at all, haha.

The parts I remember are Defoe dressing up as a female prostitute (and sexing a guy?) and that ludicrous shootout scene where three professional killers unload hundreds of bullets at each other at close range yet can't hit anyone, and where Defoe does that comic reenactment.

essie said:
Chris was my favorite character.
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Marlow's muscle?!

Was not a fan. Wasn't he just a unfailingly loyal servant to a guy he seemed to know was a psychopath?
 
Gregolian said:
I can see that but there's arguments out there (I don't completely agree with them though)... that if you never had a shot are you missing all that much sometimes?

Take like an orphan vs someone that had their parents taken from them at a young age. They're both essentially parentless but can the person that never knew their parents feel the same things the kid that got to know their parents then lost them can feel?
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Some say it is better to lose than to never have had at all

Just comes down to how you see it, really. Both kids got a rough go at life and had a sad ending. There's still a small ray of hope in Randy's ending compared to Dookie, imo. (though I guess you could argue Dookie could one day sober up and turn things around, just doesn't seem likely)
 
Trotsky said:
I only saw that movie once, but I did not like it or WD's character at all, haha.

The parts I remember are Defoe dressing up as a female prostitute (and sexing a guy?) and that ludicrous shootout scene where three professional killers unload hundreds of bullets at each other at close range yet can't hit anyone, and where Defoe does that comic reenactment.



Marlow's muscle?!

Was not a fan. Wasn't he just a unfailingly loyal servant to a guy he seemed to know was a psychopath?
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There's a lot of mystery surrounding Chris that makes him interesting. A lot of stuff in the show points to him possibly being ex military. I wouldn't consider him a psychopath either given how he reacted to the news that Michael was being abused (which seemed to hint at his own past issues with abuse).
 
Trotsky said:
Marlow's muscle?!

Was not a fan. Wasn't he just a unfailingly loyal servant to a guy he seemed to know was a psychopath?
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He was like a colder more calculating version of Webay.

Slim Charles is still one of the better non-talked about characters from the show:


"This sentimental motherfucker just cost us money!"

CubicleGangster said:
Some say it is better to lose than to never have had at all

Just comes down to how you see it, really. Both kids got a rough go at life and had a sad ending. There's still a small ray of hope in Randy's ending compared to Dookie, imo. (though I guess you could argue Dookie could one day sober up and turn things around, just doesn't seem likely)
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Bubbles had a support system of Keema and his own sister, that's how he got out. Dookie has Prez and that's about it and even Prez hasn't written him off he can't focus on him the way Dookie likely needs.
 
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