Social WR Lounge v247: I ain't no sexy boy. I don't dance, son.

[Possum Jenkins]

The writing was not professional quality and the point was basic, but it is true that people get these collective obsessions, and that bad things tend to result from them.

Like with most shitty takes, there is some element of truth scattered somewhere. So yeah, there is a segment of the progressive movement that try to out-left everyone else and that rejects anyone that isn't fully, ultra-progressive (the Jimmy Dore crowd).

But he goes way off to the extreme. Suggesting that holding the Green New Deal (which is VERY popular among Democratic voters) as a litmus test for progressivism is a sign of extremism is straight up stupid.

Moderates like him need to realize that that level of progressivism is now the norm among Democrats. So either hop on board or GTFO.

 

[tonni]

Lol at “adultist” thankfully my autocorrect doesn’t recognize that as a word.

But now I’m worried this guy is a or something.

I wouldn’t be surprised.

 

[The Diplomat]

Like with most shitty takes, there is some element of truth scattered somewhere. So yeah, there is a segment of the progressive movement that try to out-left everyone else and that rejects anyone that isn't fully, ultra-progressive (the Jimmy Dore crowd).

But he goes way off to the extreme. Suggesting that holding the Green New Deal (which is VERY popular among Democratic voters) as a litmus test for progressivism is a sign of extremism is straight up stupid.

Moderates like him need to realize that that level of progressivism is now the norm among Democrats. So either hop on board or GTFO.

I thought they were just the fringe?

 

[Andy Capp]

I've mostly given up on the idea of good-faith debates/conversations in the War Room. Everyone is moving from an angle (myself included, I'm not special) and most people are unable to drop the angle and be honest. So, in most threads, I'll just drop my two cents and keep it moving instead off getting sucked into a "debate". I don't expect most posters here to change their minds if they're proven wrong. It happens so rarely that every time I've admitted to being wrong, people congratulate me for admitting it. That's weird to me. If you're wrong, own it and adapt to the new information.



I usually make it a point to let them know they're going into time out.

Here's an example from just this afternoon of what I was saying about people who are "not generally ignore-worthy--but will occasionally post something verifiably false and usually dumb, then deflect any rebuttal, only to finally say, "Well I'm not here to argue about stuff." In response to me saying a person's opinion is not evidence so where's the evidence that informs this person's opinion:

Listen I don't have time to go back and forth with you. If the former head of the CDCs opinion who has been dealing with this virus since it came out means nothing to you then that says all I need to know about the way you think. It's such a ridiculous stance to take I don't even want to waste my time with this conversation anymore.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

I thought they were just the fringe?

It’s really bad right now. Between “progressives” and whatever subhuman morons that catch fire on the right I’m not liking it.

I’d like sane people that just want to get single payer healthcare instituted please.

 

[Gregolian]

Wonder if our office will let us go early cause of Easter. They let us leave a tad early for things like MLK day and stuff but that was before three day weekends.

Probably asking for too much.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Like with most shitty takes, there is some element of truth scattered somewhere. So yeah, there is a segment of the progressive movement that try to out-left everyone else and that rejects anyone that isn't fully, ultra-progressive (the Jimmy Dore crowd).

But he goes way off to the extreme. Suggesting that holding the Green New Deal (which is VERY popular among Democratic voters) as a litmus test for progressivism is a sign of extremism is straight up stupid.

Moderates like him need to realize that that level of progressivism is now the norm among Democrats. So either hop on board or GTFO.

The guy talks about AOC wanting to organize primary challenges against "any congressional Democrats who dare to embrace bipartisanship," rather than anything specific about the GND. I read that as kind of hippie punching (meaningless attacks on people to your left to show you're "reasonable"). And I don't think progressives want slightly less progressives to GTFO because in most races rightists are also an option. If you're deciding between a 7 and a 9, take the 9, of course, but if it's between a 7 and a 1, take the 7. Look at what Biden has already accomplished in office (which wouldn't have been possible without the Georgia wins). None of this would have been possible if a lot of takes that we saw here in the WR were more common.

 

[Trotsky]

I think the writing wasn't so much "bad" as that it was lacking in goodness. If I'm a high school teacher, I'm giving it an A, but I wouldn't publish it. The thinking is simple, but doesn't stand out for being over simple.

On the last part, I think something got a little mangled, but if I'm reading you right, I think you're really wrong about my ideals.

Sorry, probably wasn't clear. I wasn't talking about your ideals, and I don't suspect they're terribly different than my own. I was talking about Robberson's philosophy on how one should advocate according to one's opponents' ideals, i.e. "preach moderation," rather than advocating a purer pursuit of their own ideals, i.e. liquidating the kulaks, which is of course the final goal of all us commies.

FWIW, there are very few left-of-center posters here whose ideals I would scrutinize. I don't think the radical center or whatever is very prominent here, and I think the center wing of the left-of-center here (Gandhi, Animal Cracker, etc.) is far more reasonable and less deluded by bipartisanship than the center-left generally and in office.

I thought they were just the fringe?

Don't take this too personally, but you were the first Sherdog poster I thought of when I read that.

"Didn't you know Lenin killed people???" etc.

 

[Rational Poster]

@Sketch

 

[The Diplomat]

Don't take this too personally, but you were the first Sherdog poster I thought of when I read that.

"Didn't you know Lenin killed people???" etc.

He was willing to let millions of countrymen starve just to spite the big bad west, during a worldwide famine in which the US started to actively feed the planet. How did Bolshevism work out in the long run?

 

[irish_thug]

mẹta kiniun!

Not sure if racist

 

[Jack V Savage]

I thought they were just the fringe?

There's a fringe and mainstream. Not sure why that's hard to understand. If some rando on Twitter says something that offends you, it's stupid to then say that you're not going to vote for anyone on the same "side" as that guy (also tends to be an inconsistently applied rule).

 

[Trotsky]

He was willing to let millions of countrymen starve just to spite the big bad west, during a worldwide famine in which the US started to actively feed the planet. How did Bolshevism work out in the long run?

Yep, that's spot on

 

[K1levelgrappler]

lmao

 

[Rational Poster]

 

[The Diplomat]

There's a fringe and mainstream. Not sure why that's hard to understand. If some rando on Twitter says something that offends you, it's stupid to then say that you're not going to vote for anyone on the same "side" as that guy (also tends to be an inconsistently applied rule).

You're pretending that the fringe hasn't become the mainstream within the past few years, though. Blaming the US government for trying to sort through thousands of undocumented people, instead of focusing on the thousands of undocumented people coming here. Social progressive points for trying to outdo one another in the name of "justice". The idea that a moderate democrat is old news, and should be left aside within the current political climate...just to name a few. And if it was just one rando one twitter, it wouldn't be an issue. But the fact is, that one rando on twitter can turn into a news story on NBC through causality and the way the machine works now. Clicks equal ratings equal money.

I know that you'll say "Well, they voted for Biden instead of the other progressives, right?" which has merit, but I don't know how moderate the Biden-Harris administration intends to be.

 

[Rational Poster]

lmao

lol why the beef?

 

[Gregolian]

@Jack V Savage how the Hell do Eovaldi and Sale not hit more batter's? Their throwing motions look so damn wild even from the stretch.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

lol why the beef?

Ted Cruz is a weasel and everybody hates him, even other Republicans.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You're pretending that the fringe hasn't become the mainstream within the past few years, though.

Pretending? Remind me who the current president is.

Blaming the US government for trying to sort through thousands of undocumented people, instead of focusing on the thousands of undocumented people coming here. Social progressive points for trying to outdo one another in the name of "justice". The idea that a moderate democrat is old news, and should be left aside within the current political climate...just to name a few. And if it was just one rando one twitter, it wouldn't be an issue. But the fact is, that one rando on twitter can turn into a news story on NBC through causality and the way the machine works now. Clicks equal ratings equal money.

I know that you'll say "Well, they voted for Biden instead of the other progressives, right?" which has merit, but I don't know how moderate the Biden-Harris administration intends to be.

Biden's doing some really ambitious stuff, but it's stuff that is very broadly popular rather than stuff that just appeals to a fringe group, which seemed to be the (irrational) fear of some people.

@Jack V Savage how the Hell do Eovaldi and Sale not hit more batter's? Their throwing motions look so damn wild even from the stretch.

Super talented dudes. Watching Sale, I get more scared for his arm than for batters (rightly, but he lasted longer than I would have expected).