Social WR Lounge v 235: Arcane Rogue Trickster, but who likes Sickness?

[Social Distance Warrior]

Animal Farm basically teaches that power corrupts and the working man gets fucked

Yea, if I had to summarize Animal Farm in one sentence...this would be it ^^^^^^. well said Polish

there is a great deal of more nuance to it...especially with the reframing of language and certain terms but aptly put.

 

[CubicleGangster]

The name of his channel is hilarious too. I don't know how they allowed that to get through.

Can't post his channel name on sherdog
lol

 

[Deleted member 579584]

The collection isn't (and I see a hardcover at $120 on Amazon--I'm sure I didn't pay anything close to that for it). Most of the individual essays are.

Here are some of his classics:

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/th...ther-works/politics-and-the-english-language/

https://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/joys/english/e_joys

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/th.../essays-and-other-works/shooting-an-elephant/

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/th...other-works/second-thoughts-on-james-burnham/

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/th...essays-and-other-works/reflections-on-gandhi/

Thank you Jack, much appreciated.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Yo since this shit is about to end. My stoner ass got some numbers last night because @Cubo de Sangre said I seem like someone who wears a beret.

Bruh that fucked up eye of mine thoooo.

Need some pins on that jacket.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

is it online? I just laugh when Bikes or some others quote him. That's coming from a right leaning poster as myself

I don't think there is anything wrong with quoting someone, especially if the quote/argument is applicable to the current conversation.

Orwell doesn't "belong" to anyone...nor is anyone "appropriating" him. This is merely a BS tactic employed by hypocrites when someone quotes one of their heroes.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Yea, if I had to summarize Animal Farm in one sentence...this would be it.

there is a great deal of more nuance to it...especially with the reframing of language and certain terms but aptly put.

Isn’t that 2 sentences?

 

[Falsedawn]

I don't think we even ready 1984 in HS.

We did read Animal Farm though

Never so much as sniffed Orwell in AP English classes. Regular English got it though.

AP English got Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Ellison, and Steinbeck. I never quite understood that one. Maybe they didn't want the smart kids questioning the teaching.

 

[CubicleGangster]

I don't think there is anything wrong with quoting someone, especially if the quote/argument is applicable to the current conversation.

Orwell doesn't "belong" to anyone...nor is anyone "appropriating" him. This is merely a BS tactic employed by hypocrites when someone quotes one of their heroes.

Well the particular example he is using is someone quoting something they clearly are misunderstanding so it actually isn't applicable to the current conversation

 

[Deleted member 405583]

@Gregolian it finally passed.

Now you just need to have a couple of kids so you can get those sweet sweet child tax credits

I might have another because of it

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Well the particular example he is using is someone quoting something they clearly are misunderstanding so it actually isn't applicable to the current conversation

I didn't see the initial quote in question.

I was just speaking in general.

it reminds me when people on the left were throwing a bitch fit because someone who leaned right posted this:

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Isn’t that 2 sentences?

I was referring to Polish's sentence I quoted.

 

[CubicleGangster]

I didn't see the initial quote in question.

I was just speaking in general.

it reminds me when people on the left were throwing a bitch fit because someone who leaned right posted this:

Well, tbf, that is because you can only think in right vs left ways that are favorable to the right and not to the left

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Well, tbf, that is because you can only think in right vs left ways that are favorable to the right and not to the left

not sure what you mean by this.

 

[CubicleGangster]

not sure what you mean by this.

Don't sweat it, bud
Wanna go swim in the lake?

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

I was watching this last night and forgot what a great scene this is

 

[Jack V Savage]

I wouldn't say enemies as far as enemies go, I'd say that we have intellectual differences. I'll admit that I'm far more reactionary and far more prone to certain revolutionary ideas and justify certain things... It's just odd that you catch more flack than I do. Granted I'm quite adorable.

Concerning the thoughts of right wing vs liberalism vs leftism they didn't wash the paint off the brush they seem to paint you with. I consider you a reasonable liberal, despite my inherent beliefs that liberalism is the true enemy of leftism. I also tend to agree with many of your objections to the left, as your beliefs on not voting for Biden lined up with Chomsky.

I support some pretty leftist shit, though. Like, Georgism (which IMO basically results from the idea that land should be commonly owned, though it's best to let it be privately administered) and a big national SWF (basically the public should collectively own a lot of productive property). I've long been a supporter of a monthly child allowance (poverty in the developed world is overwhelmingly just a result of the fact that about half the population--mostly children, the elderly, and the disabled--aren't distributed much income by markets so we should correct that flaw in our national income-distribution system). And I'm a strong supporter of civil liberties. The difference is that I do believe in markets--not that market outcomes are inherently good but that under certain circumstances they almost always produce better outcomes than we could get with other systems.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Never so much as sniffed Orwell in AP English classes. Regular English got it though.

AP English got Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Ellison, and Steinbeck. I never quite understood that one. Maybe they didn't want the smart kids questioning the teaching.

I first read Animal Farm in middle school, in the GATE class.

 

[Falsedawn]

I didn't see the initial quote in question.

I was just speaking in general.

it reminds me when people on the left were throwing a bitch fit because someone who leaned right posted this:

You really don't see why someone on the political right would be a monumental hypocrite by hiding behind Chomsky to avoid consequences? Really?

Especially when people (primarily the political right) have cheering on the police crackdown of left wing protests for literally ever?

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Thank you for this my friend. Also you are handsome Ginger.

lol thanks. First picture I've taken of myself in awhile. I'm pretty happy with my life right now. Not getting blackout drunk every night is pretty neat.

I hate selfies though, it's why I've never had a Tinder or anything. The reconstructive surgery worked really well but even as an adult I still feel the weight of my scars.

Animal Farm basically teaches that power corrupts and the working man gets fucked

Did they teach it as a way to decry totalitarianism or socialism? I always found the accusation of "people are corrupt therefore socialism can't work" to be an odd statement as this final stage of capitalism here in the US.

I don't think there is anything wrong with quoting someone, especially if the quote/argument is applicable to the current conversation.

Orwell doesn't "belong" to anyone...nor is anyone "appropriating" him. This is merely a BS tactic employed by hypocrites when someone quotes one of their heroes.

Exfuckingcuse me? Animal Farm was written of the October Revolution and influenced by the betrayal of Stalinist backed forces to Trotskyists in the Spanish Civil War. That's a fucking fact, and it's referenced not only in Homage to Catalonia but in his essays as well.

As to "Orwell not belonging to anyone" Orwell was a flawed writer/leftist, but he was a Democratic Socialist until the day he died, his earned hatred of Stalinism caused him to purge State Socialists (which I understand, I'm not a fan either, Orwell served with the POUM but spoke highly of the Anarchists of Catalonia)

Orwell himself said "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it. It seems to me nonsense, in a period like our own, to think that one can avoid writing of such subjects."

I ain't very tall but this a tree I know well, bark up it and see how it goes.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Don't sweat it, bud
Wanna go swim in the lake?

I've learned...(the hard way) that swimming...especially long distance swimming entails finesse and skill