Crime Would you support labeling ALL street gangs as terrorists?

[gentel]

Nothing wrong with labeling a street gang as a terrorist org IF they have engaged in terrorism (and no, selling fentanyl or having a gunfight with an opposing gang isn't terrorism)

But yes if they engage in large-scale politically-motivated violence or threats against innocent civilians, that's terrorism

 

[avenue94]

Woof someone missed the point of the Hamsterdam arc. Wow.

Are you sure you were paying attention? They took the majority of the ills and concentrated it in one area to contain violence and vice. It isn't perfect but its arguably better, and Colvin is a scapegoat for it.

What did you think the point of the arc was?

You also haven't elaborated at all on why a terrorism designation would be an improvement over existing anti gang laws. Me thinks it's once again a Canadians knowledge of the US failing.

 

[Deleted member 609094]

LIke they just did with MS13 and Tren de Aragua

It's pretty bad in LA and cities like Chicago. The crimes they commit, the innocents that die each year that get caught up in their shootings. The people they rob and kill, the homes they break into.

Would you support labeling all street gangs as terrorists?

Depends what you call "terror". Init bruv.

 

[Andy Capp]

LIke they just did with MS13 and Tren de Aragua

It's pretty bad in LA and cities like Chicago. The crimes they commit, the innocents that die each year that get caught up in their shootings. The people they rob and kill, the homes they break into.

Would you support labeling all street gangs as terrorists?

Are they trying to achieve political goals such as a change in government or in support of the government of an enemy state?

 

[jefferz]

I think the better way to deal with gangs is to prosecute them under the RICO act. Major street gangs are indeed criminal organizations with members and a hiarchy. Sentences are stiff and the net can be cast wide enough to grab large groups of people at once. If used aggressively you can dismantle the entire gang population in a handful of prosecutions.

The bad part is there will inevitably be "innocent" people being sent to prison for simply associating with gangs members. But hey, that will send the message to people to keep yourself completely seperate from gang members and gang activity. No getting tattoos or throwing up signs in pictures on Instagram just to look cool. And no hanging out or associating with gang members in any setting whatsoever.

If they're sending innocent people to prison, what message is being spread to the people?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

That's what RICO act is for

 

[GrantB13]

chicago gangs killed WAAAY more people.

Number wise sure but I think there's a clear distinction in intent and scale. Gangs rack up their body counts ones and twos at a time in most cases and don't exclusively attack non-gang citizens. I can stand to be corrected though because I'm not speaking from hard data points. The 9/11 terrorists killed over 3000 in one morning and attempted multiple coordinated targets. And it was between a handful of actors vs a gang which who knows who commits the actual crime. I'd still say the traditional definition of a terrorist is much more sinister.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Number wise sure but I think there's a clear distinction in intent and scale. Gangs rack up their body counts ones and twos at a time in most cases and don't exclusively attack non-gang citizens. I can stand to be corrected though because I'm not speaking from hard data points. The 9/11 terrorists killed over 3000 in one morning and attempted multiple coordinated targets. And it was between a handful of actors vs a gang which who knows who commits the actual crime. I'd still say the traditional definition of a terrorist is much more sinister.

what's important is the number of people killed, not the method.
i'd have no problem with these gangs getting the worst denomination possible.

 

[Cartiac]

No. Foreign gangs that come here illegally to commit crimes and violence, absolutely. But not domestic Gangs. However, if we want to stop the violence and culture that mainly kills young minorities involved, we do need stricter laws and rehabilitation. The culture is absurd and leads to nothing but pain, death and jail. They took down the mob, they need to do the same with gangs.

In NY and other areas there are new crimes committed by young minorities that organize "takeovers". They post something on social media and show up in the hundreds and "take over" an area. Could be a mall, a street, a store, a pizza place. Then they loot, wreak havoc, flip cop cars, race stolen cars, show up on dozens of atvs and street bikes etc. People get hurt, robbed, etc. This is a mob, a new type of crime, is this terrorism?

First, it is not possible to designate any domestic organization as terrorists. When designating a Foreign Terrorist Organization, the Foreign part is there for a reason.

Also stricter laws and rehabilitation are not the answer. The laws we already have are not enforced and you can't rehabilitate people that have never had any sense of a healthy, productive way of life to begin with.

The best thing we could do is eliminate systemic racism by our government. One of the most profound things I have ever heard from a politician was President Trump talking about the importance of basing policy on socioeconomic status over the blatantly unconstitutional and illegal race based policies.

The Democrat party, in the name of "equality", constantly pushes the need for specific race based assistance, but when you are constantly told you need help from the government because of the color of your skin, that sends the message that the color of your skin is the inherent problem.

Trump's stance presents a much more positive, non-racist message, telling people their race is not the reason for their struggles but rather anyone faced with the same socioeconomic situation would have the same struggles.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Are you sure you were paying attention? They took the majority of the ills and concentrated it in one area to contain violence and vice. It isn't perfect but its arguably better, and Colvin is a scapegoat for it.

What did you think the point of the arc was?

You also haven't elaborated at all on why a terrorism designation would be an improvement over existing anti gang laws. Me thinks it's once again a Canadians knowledge of the US failing.

As Carver says, he'd be OK with it if it wasn't for all the kids. You're supporting a lawless open air drug market with little kids doing cocaine and heroin all over the place.

 

[Cid]

I think we should label jaywalkers as terrorists...

 

[Richmma80]

Liberals - the do nothing party

Someone wants to jail all the gang members and they bring up jaywalking

Illegals here raping, robbing and killing and that's OK because Americans are doing it too

 

[evergreenrider]

Sounds awfully racist bud

 

[evergreenrider]

Sure if we operated in a world where government and law enforcement themselves weren't a gang and terrorists lol

Behind these street gangs you'll find the CIA propped them up and fuelled them to get more blacks in prisons (Crack gangster rap era ie. Freeway rick ross).

War on drugs = government sold more drugs than anyone

War on terror = government destabilized and radicalized more terrorists than anyone

Oh because it's Trump we suddenly trust government to do the right thing ah gotcha lol

Personally I feel the war on drugs was actually the war on gaining control of drug distribution and profits to fund off the books black projects.

 

[Tabarnakos]

Hummm no ?

Maybe if the gang in question is insanely armed and goes at war against the government like some cartels did in Colombia and Mexico by killing judges , prosecutors , police officers etc and by bombing courthouse and police stations....then yeah i guess those could qualify.

But local gangs like i don't know the crips , outlaw bikers , the mob etc ?.....nah. They are scum but terrorists is going a bit too far even though some of these assholes do despicable things and certainly deserve to be locked away in maximum prisons for years.

 

[Madmick]

Terrorism has a denotation with specific parameters. If a gang begins to participate in the strategies implemented by Mexican cartels, for example, where they assassinate politicians who legislate against their interests, or police administrators who target their operations, in an effort to intimidate those who stand against them, hell yeah, they've become terrorists.

If all they are is a street gang that seeks to control territory against rival gangs for the right to deal drugs, run prostitutes, run gambling, and crap like that, I don't see how they're terrorists.

 

[MrShady]

Personally I feel the war on drugs was actually the war on gaining control of drug distribution and profits to fund off the books black projects.

Bingo. Iran Contra was just one example. Poppy fields in Afghanistan another lol.

Biggest drug dealers and biggest gang in the world is obviously the CIA lol

 

[evergreenrider]

Bingo. Iran Contra was just one example. Poppy fields in Afghanistan another lol.

Biggest drug dealers and biggest gang in the world is obviously the CIA lol

Kinda weird when we gave up control of Afghanistan the country is suddenly flooded with a completely synthetic opiod in fentanyl.

 

[Broke Lester]

Anyone who doesn't cure cancer is a terrorist. Got ya.

Pretty consistent with you're level of understanding on most topics.

 

[Cid]

Liberals - the do nothing party

Someone wants to jail all the gang members and they bring up jaywalking

Illegals here raping, robbing and killing and that's OK because Americans are doing it too

Everything I don't like is now terrorism.

You know there's a thing called narco terrorism right?


How about you accept that words have meanings and you're too dumb to understand them?