Crime Do you support bringing back the "3 strikes" rule?

[Beechwood]

No, with all the judicial corruption being seen of late in blue states I don't believe the old 3 strikes and out to be a good idea. I doubt a conservative would receive a fair trial in a blue city or state.

With that said, I do enjoy living in Florida, a state that believes in enforcing the law.

For what ever reason the voters in blue states seem to enjoy no bail, soft on crime policies, allowing criminals to roams their streets. My hope is that criminals living in Florida and other rule of law red states leave red state and move to a blue state where they can commit as much crime as they wish.

 

[nonoob]

Home invasion or carjacking should be One Strike gets a long mandatory prison sentence.

 

[badascan]

So if someone steals a candy bar they use their one strike same as the guy who steals your jewelry box?

Theft and burglary are different but in my world yes! Adults wilfully stealing others property give up their right to exist in my civil society! The leniency would be, did you forget the candy bar at the bottom of the reusable bag used to gather groceries instead of a cart before paying and walked out without scanning it? You stole it but that shouldn't be the end of your life in my society.

The problem with stealing is it harms the thief most and that's never mentioned. The real harm isn't the loss of the material possession, or possibly even the violation of victims privacy but it's the sacrifice of ones integrity who's willing to sell themselves so short by taking from others. We have to demand people respect themselves so much, they'd never think taking someone else's things is an option... of course this is fantastical unrealistic idealism but the principle remains...

 

[DoctorTaco]

Theft and burglary are different but in my world yes! Adults wilfully stealing others property give up their right to exist in my civil society! The leniency would be, did you forget the candy bar at the bottom of the reusable bag used to gather groceries instead of a cart before paying and walked out without scanning it? You stole it but that shouldn't be the end of your life in my society.

The problem with stealing is it harms the thief most and that's never mentioned. The real harm isn't the loss of the material possession, or possibly even the violation of victims privacy but it's the sacrifice of ones integrity who's willing to sell themselves so short by taking from others. We have to demand people respect themselves so much, they'd never think taking someone else's things is an option... of course this is fantastical unrealistic idealism but the principle remains...

You’re right, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that the theft was implied. Technically You want to remove people from society for breaking into a space with the intent to steal something.

So that I understand- the punishment should be severe and the same if someone breaks into your home and steals 2 dollars, or if they steal 2,000 dollars. Yes?

 

[White Whale]

Criminals with 3 or more arrests are committing the most crimes.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

Good in theory, terrible in practice. I put part of the blame of CA's crime issues in recent years on 3 Strikes.

 

[badascan]

You’re right, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that the theft was implied. Technically You want to remove people from society for breaking into a space with the intent to steal something.

So that I understand- the punishment should be severe and the same if someone breaks into your home and steals 2 dollars, or if they steal 2,000 dollars. Yes?

Breaking into my home is strikes enough, the theft is superfluous but yes, stealing others property wilfully is three strikes when I'm dictator.

What reason would justify breaking into my home?

 

[DoctorTaco]

Breaking into my home is strikes enough, the theft is superfluous but yes, stealing others property wilfully is three strikes when I'm dictator.

What reason would justify breaking into my home?

I’m not justifying it. I’m advocating for degrees and severity of a crime to be accounted for when metering out punishment.

Did they break in while you were home? Was it random or premeditated? Were they armed? Did they threaten or harm anyone? All things judges and prosecutors take into account when sentencing.

 

[badascan]

I’m not justifying it. I’m advocating for degrees and severity of a crime to be accounted for when metering out punishment.

Did they break in while you were home? Was it random or premeditated? Were they armed? Did they threaten or harm anyone? All things judges and prosecutors take into account when sentencing.

I'm always home in my home whether I'm there or not, it's always premeditated if a person finds it acceptable to do, they're armed if they "break" in, they're threatening by entering my home against my will and they're harming themselves... If it's up to me, bring three strikes back and reduce it to one strikes!

 

[DoctorTaco]

I'm always home in my home whether I'm there or not,

Physically impossible.

it's always premeditated if a person finds it acceptable to do,

Not how that word works.

they're armed if they "break" in,

Not true. You can “break in” to an unlocked house. Through an unlocked window. Through an open garage door.

they're threatening by entering my home against my will

Again, not how words work.

and they're harming themselves... If it's up to me, bring three strikes back and reduce it to one strikes!

Got it.

Is that you in your AV?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Not a good idea. Amazing how quickly people forget.

1) Gives police too much leverage and power in terms of coercion.
2) It does not have a proven effect on deterrence.
3) It HORRENDOUSLY clogs up the legal system (NO ONE pleads to a 3rd strike) which means there are way more criminals actually out in the world awaiting trial. That can actually drive crime up. And it blows up the financial cost of all the trials.
4) Completely blows up the cost of incarceration. The cost of keeping someone in jail the back end of their life (when they are LEAST likely to reoffend) costs 2-3 x than when they are younger.

Additionally, it's just not warranted.

3 strikes was implemented in the early 90s when violent crime was levels above what it is now-

The current hysteria over crime is due to social media (everyday people can see video of crimes being committed at rates that only police officers could in the 90s) and political motivation (the ethnics are out of control so vote GOP to protect you).

For authoritarians, you can never have enough brutal punishment. Saudi Arabia and North Korea are idyllic places for these type of people.

 

[Misfit23]

No. This wouldn't solve the current issue of the public defender shortage. Pretty common for people to be arrested only to be released because they don't have an attorney lined up here in Oregon.

 

[joy2day]

Yes, but maybe increase it to 5 strikes? 3 strikes seems like it could happen in a very short span of time during the worst years of a person's life. I'd like to see a more rehabilitative approach though.

It depends on the crime. The original 3 strikes law in CA was thought to be flawed by many because the third strike could be any crime- it didn't have to be a serious crime- only the first two strikes. I think 3 strikes for serious crimes, especially violent crimes, are enough for an automatic 25 years to life.

 

[badascan]

Physically impossible.

Not how that word works.

Not true. You can “break in” to an unlocked house. Through an unlocked window. Through an open garage door.

Again, not how words work.

Got it.

Is that you in your AV?

Oh, ok... I get it now. Thought you weren't retarded...

 

[LangfordBarrow]

100%. I'd even support 3 strikes and the death penalty

Even for three swings and misses at balls over the plate?

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

Some things should be 1 strike.

 

[Broke Lester]

Even for three swings and misses at balls over the plate?

Only World Series, after 3rd/4th game.

 

[Broke Lester]

Hard to apply 3 strikes just like that, way too many variables.

 

[Halifax]

So if someone steals a candy bar they use their one strike same as the guy who steals your jewelry box?

Shoplifting is a wee bit different than home invasion.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Shoplifting is a wee bit different than home invasion.

That’s my point