Would stipe have beaten prime Alistair Overeem.

[JKS]

Like Fedor?

Econoreem almost beat stipe

But yet he didn't. He got finished inside one round. EconoReem is actually a safer bet considering he was more defensively sounds and strategic. The Uberreem was less cautious and strategic. I mean Werdum was pretty much beating Uberreem in the standup in the SF fight.

 

[JKS]

low competition in Japan like when he own the K1 GP and Strikeforce HW title?

He won the SF Title over Paul Buentello buddy, nothing to rave about. And yes, low competition like James Thompson, Gary Goodridge, Fujita, Duffee, some Korean fighter and a guy named Tony Sylvestre Yeah, that's real stiff competition there. Only good HWs he fought during his so called Uber stage was Hunt and Cro Cop.

 

[Reyes Lost]

12-18 months later prime overeem got KTFO by bigfoot and Mr. rousey. No, he didn't go from hero to zero in a year and a half at 30-31yo and 2 years BEFORE USADA. PRIME miocic would've smoked him.

The reeem that finished brock and the Reem that lost to Silva are two completely different versions of the reem. Stop looking at Wikipedia and watch those fights.

 

[King.]

That wasn't prime Stipe buddy, the man didn't come into his own until 3 years after the Struve fight. And if we're gonna go by that, if Sergei, Rothwell, Browne, Bigfoot and how many others could KO Reem, Stipe could as well. Stop it lol

This thread is about ubereem, a very specific version of Alistair Overeem and one vastly different to the one you see today. All those KO losses you mention were not the version of Overeem that is Ubereem. If you had seen those fights, you would be aware of this.

 

[Fergelmince]

The reeem that finished brock and the Reem that lost to Silva are two completely different versions of the reem. Stop looking at Wikipedia and watch those fights.

Come back when you get your original account unbanned.

 

[kenetics]

That wasn't prime Stipe buddy, the man didn't come into his own until 3 years after the Struve fight. And if we're gonna go by that, if Sergei, Rothwell, Browne, Bigfoot and how many others could KO Reem, Stipe could as well. Stop it lol

Stipe and Struve were around the same age... So that was an equal fight.

Any of those dudes you listed that beat reem would beat Struve easily too lol.

Facts are that struve is one of the worst HW and he tko stipe. And I like stipe. Let's just keep it real .

 

[Texan6533]

Alistair was a different animal during his dream / strikeforce / K-1 run. Sure, he was on all sorts of roids but he would have been more than a handful for anyone in any era. The guy was a monster with great takedown defense and KO power in all four limbs.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

So now on top of trying to discredit Stipe’s victories due to fighters age, sherdog is going to go to the Stipe only won because the other fighter wasn’t allowed to take enough steroids excuse. The pathetic disrespect for Stipe continues here. The Reem lost like he always lost, his chin got cracked and he wilted under pressure. Just like he got ko’d by Shogun 15+ years ago.

Stipe is 0-500 in hypothetical fights according to the geniuses on here.

 

[kenetics]

So now on top of trying to discredit Stipe’s victories due to fighters age, sherdog is going to go to the Stipe only won because the other fighter wasn’t allowed to take enough steroids excuse. The pathetic disrespect for Stipe continues here. The Reem lost like he always lost, his chin got cracked and he wilted under pressure. Just like he got ko’d by Shogun 15+ years ago.

I respect stipe. But he beat aging HW during his run in the UFC.

 

[JKS]

This thread is about ubereem, a very specific version of Alistair Overeem and one vastly different to the one you see today. All those KO losses you mention were not the version of Overeem that is Ubereem. If you had seen those fights, you would be aware of this.

I have sen those fights buddy, it's not hard to watch the UFC lol. The version of him from 2009 to 2011 is pretty much the same guy who lost his first series of fights in the UFC. Uber or not, it's the same Reem, open defense and gets hit. That's the point I making, there is some myth about this Ubereem. It's a load of BS, he was just bigger but by no means a better fighter. The Reem that fought in the second half of the 2010s was actually more suitable to beat Stipe.

 

[King.]

I have sen those fights buddy, it's not hard to watch the UFC lol. The version of him from 2009 to 2011 is pretty much the same guy who lost his first series of fights in the UFC. Uber or not, it's the same Reem, open defense and gets hit. That's the point I making, there is some myth about this Ubereem. It's a load of BS, he was just bigger but by no means a better fighter. The Reem that fought in the second half of the 2010s was actually more suitable to beat Stipe.

Highly flawed opinion. He was so much stronger that rothwell could never have survived those clinch exchanges for example. Browne would have been knocked out by those shots against the fence. The power and strength crossed a certain threshold when he was ubereem and he couldn't get to that level on lower levels of gear. Also the fact that you say "UFC" makes your view highly debatable , seeing as some of his better performances also took place outside of the UFC. There is a marked difference between the Brock and Bigfoot right, I can't quite grasp why you would think otherwise.

I don't quite understand what you mean by "better" fighter either. He adapted his fighting style to his physical traits, which he did when he was ubereem as well. The fact that he now fights more at range and at a lower pace is not "better" by itself, it's just more suited to his shortcomings and strengths at this moment.

 

[Mr Moist]

I respect stipe. But he beat aging HW during his run in the UFC.

I respect Overeem, but he’s been ko’d 15 plus times including by Stipe. If they fought 10 times Overeem would probably win a few, but Stipe should be favored against any version of Overeem.

 

[BoxingMMA]

I don’t think Miocic even beats prime versions of Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman. Dudes good but has been lucky to be a part of a weak ass era of never beens or past their prime greats. When your biggest wins are a fat LHW and a man who can only throw bombs for a few seconds before gassing (plus add there a loss to Stephan Struve holy shit) you have to limit expectations

 

[BoxerSunny]

Post suspension and going into the Bigfoot fight Reem actually had a career threatening back injury in addition had dangerously low t levels - all well documented. Just use google. In NVADA and other commissions pre USADA you could get a TRT exemption providing you hadn’t failed a previous test. In this case Reem was at a severe disadvantage as his extra muscle mass and low t was working against him whilst other fighters confirmed at the time (Bigfoot, Travis, Rothwell) could TRT within the allowed range which was generous for fighters at the time. Look at Bigfoot and Travis post USADA - that’s essentially the same level playing field Reem was on and he still got wins!

The reality is and anyone who knows me knows I’m a big Reem fan and an insider - knows that Reems power has completely gone.

vs Silva he should’ve and could’ve finished on the ground

vs Browne it should’ve been a stoppage

vs Rothwell - legit stoppage

vs Stipe he tapped

vs Ngango - this KO wrecked him, and he was a completely broken man since, note the steep decline and gun shy approach in future bouts

vs Blaydes - had a few paths to victory included leg lock and knee strike however lost his killer instinct to finish the fight and was finished shortly after

vs Roznstrike - very bad stoppage, he got dropped essentially in the same manor he did Stipe (again notice to gun shy/ lack of firepower throughout the 5 rounds

vs Volkov - 1st round he tagged Volkov twice (once clean to to jaw) and similar to his punch thrown to Francis prior to being KOd it bounced of his chin and Reem didn’t put any combos together.

this new ‘safety first’ Reem throwing looping left hands whilst looking down at the floor has virtually Zero power.

quite frankly ‘Ubereem’ who fought Brock would’ve flatlined Stipe with that straight left - factor in an extra 20lbs of pure horse meat and forward pressure fights over.

Uber Reem is fucking dangerous because he hits HARD.

eco Reem can still put on a clinic but this approach only works for fighters he can goads into a stroking match - ala Dos Santos, albeit he still had to systematically break him down and damage him over the course of 2 rounds.

UberReem was a 1 round KO wrecking machine

also note Ubereem vs Wredum in SF Reem had broken rib and toe

RIP (retire in peace) Uncrowned UFC Champ
#MMABrokeMyHeart :’(

 

[kenetics]

I respect Overeem, but he’s been ko’d 15 plus times including by Stipe. If they fought 10 times Overeem would probably win a few, but Stipe should be favored against any version of Overeem.

I think it's 50/50 . You're right about reem getting ko. But again is someone like Struve could beat him then he has a pretty good chance.

 

[Mr Moist]

I think it's 50/50 . You're right about reem getting ko. But again is someone like Struve could beat him then he has a pretty good chance.

For sure, I was going to say 60/40 in favor of Stipe. Overeem did drop Stipe in their fight. But I just trust Stipe’s chin and durability more, and I think he has a better fight iq as well.

 

[daniel san]

Yes, he already did. Extremely roided Overeem didn’t have a gas tank and would get easily pummelled by Miocic. Eco item is the best Reem - this is the fighter who used less PEDs, had a gas tank and had finally learned that MMA gloves are much smaller than K1 gloves so just covering up wouldn’t be enough. The question is what would have happened if they rematched. Overeem can on a good day beat any HW on the planet, but he can also find extravagant ways of losing to cans.

 

[Final Say]

I think it's 50/50 . You're right about reem getting ko. But again is someone like Struve could beat him then he has a pretty good chance.

bro you keep bringing up that struve fight. anytime anyone says anything 'well if struve beat him, anyone can beat him'

its a terrible argument. stipe improved immensely after that fight. you can say the same thing about literally any fighter, especially heavyweights. they all have embarrassing losses. you dont say 'well, overeem got KO'd by rothwell, anyone can beat overeem on his best day'.. 'fedor got beat up by maldonado and dan henderson, any heavyweight can beat him on his best day'

terrible logic

 

[kenetics]

bro you keep bringing up that struve fight. anytime anyone says anything 'well if struve beat him, anyone can beat him'

its a terrible argument. stipe improved immensely after that fight. you can say the same thing about literally any fighter, especially heavyweights. they all have embarrassing losses. you dont say 'well, overeem got KO'd by rothwell, anyone can beat overeem on his best day'.. 'fedor got beat up by maldonado and dan henderson, any heavyweight can beat him on his best day'

terrible logic

Yes, I did... I said reem got ko multiple times lol. But we are specifically speaking about primes. Young Struve beat young stipe. That was an equal fight. There is no argument between those two. Stipe beat an older reem not a younger reem so it's not the same.

Fedor got beat towards end of his career like every fighter does who continues to fight as they age out .

 

[Final Say]

Yes, I did... I said reem got ko multiple times lol. But we are specifically speaking about primes. Young Struve beat young stipe. That was an equal fight. There is no argument between those two. Stipe beat an older reem not a younger reem so it's not the same.

Fedor got beat towards end of his career like every fighter does who continues to fight as they age out .

if were talking about primes, then you shouldnt be talking about stipe v struve. period. struve was at his absolute best in that fight fight, stipe got way better afterward. you know this, so why are you trying to mislead people? age is irrelevant.