Would stipe have beaten prime Alistair Overeem.

[kenetics]

if were talking about primes, then you shouldnt be talking about stipe v struve. period. struve was at his absolute best in that fight fight, stipe got way better afterward. you know this, so why are you trying to mislead people? age is irrelevant.

Struve was terrible and was getting ko left and right even before he fought stipe..

 

[suffersystem]

Post suspension and going into the Bigfoot fight Reem actually had a career threatening back injury in addition had dangerously low t levels - all well documented. Just use google. In NVADA and other commissions pre USADA you could get a TRT exemption providing you hadn’t failed a previous test. In this case Reem was at a severe disadvantage as his extra muscle mass and low t was working against him whilst other fighters confirmed at the time (Bigfoot, Travis, Rothwell) could TRT within the allowed range which was generous for fighters at the time. Look at Bigfoot and Travis post USADA - that’s essentially the same level playing field Reem was on and he still got wins!

The reality is and anyone who knows me knows I’m a big Reem fan and an insider - knows that Reems power has completely gone.

vs Silva he should’ve and could’ve finished on the ground

vs Browne it should’ve been a stoppage

vs Rothwell - legit stoppage

vs Stipe he tapped

vs Ngango - this KO wrecked him, and he was a completely broken man since, note the steep decline and gun shy approach in future bouts

vs Blaydes - had a few paths to victory included leg lock and knee strike however lost his killer instinct to finish the fight and was finished shortly after

vs Roznstrike - very bad stoppage, he got dropped essentially in the same manor he did Stipe (again notice to gun shy/ lack of firepower throughout the 5 rounds

vs Volkov - 1st round he tagged Volkov twice (once clean to to jaw) and similar to his punch thrown to Francis prior to being KOd it bounced of his chin and Reem didn’t put any combos together.

this new ‘safety first’ Reem throwing looping left hands whilst looking down at the floor has virtually Zero power.

quite frankly ‘Ubereem’ who fought Brock would’ve flatlined Stipe with that straight left - factor in an extra 20lbs of pure horse meat and forward pressure fights over.

Uber Reem is fucking dangerous because he hits HARD.

eco Reem can still put on a clinic but this approach only works for fighters he can goads into a stroking match - ala Dos Santos, albeit he still had to systematically break him down and damage him over the course of 2 rounds.

UberReem was a 1 round KO wrecking machine

also note Ubereem vs Wredum in SF Reem had broken rib and toe

RIP (retire in peace) Uncrowned UFC Champ
#MMABrokeMyHeart :’(

one round ko wrecking machine? 14 fights when he went to HW in 2007 until his Brock win, only 3 KO's, 3 TKO's, 4 subs, 1 loss and 1 NC. Doesn't really come off as this KO artist. I get he looked bad ass with muscles and performed rather well against lower competition he was spotty before and after this time period. Werdum also outstruck him 2 to 1, though he'd flop whenever Reem got near so kind of makes sense.

 

[FKAri]

All depends on if he lands a good shot. Goes without saying for HW but with Reem it's even more true. I know people want to treat it like a logical A>B equation but with Reem it really is a roll of the dice every time.

 

[Final Say]

Struve was terrible and was getting ko left and right even before he fought stipe..

You have no point

Struve = best ever

Stipe = totally different fighter after

‘Fedor lost to Fabio, so any fighter can beat him on his best day’

Is equal to your logic. The exact same thing

 

[JKS]

Highly flawed opinion. He was so much stronger that rothwell could never have survived those clinch exchanges for example. Browne would have been knocked out by those shots against the fence. The power and strength crossed a certain threshold when he was ubereem and he couldn't get to that level on lower levels of gear. Also the fact that you say "UFC" makes your view highly debatable , seeing as some of his better performances also took place outside of the UFC. There is a marked difference between the Brock and Bigfoot right, I can't quite grasp why you would think otherwise.

I don't quite understand what you mean by "better" fighter either. He adapted his fighting style to his physical traits, which he did when he was ubereem as well. The fact that he now fights more at range and at a lower pace is not "better" by itself, it's just more suited to his shortcomings and strengths at this moment.

What I mean by better fighter is that he developed certain parts of his game and fought with more strategy and patience. That's why he was able to do well with guys like JDS. That's being a better fighter. Ubereem and the guy who was off PEDs post the Lesnar fight fought the same way. From 2004 to 2011 Alistair had the same style. It was until 2013 after those loses in the UFC till he adapted.

You're just assuming, there is nothing to can prove this one way or another. You think this and I think otherwise whether he beats those guys on the juice.

I said UFC because the subject was his losses. You said this below....I am assuming we're talking about his losses to Ben etc.

All those KO losses you mention were not the version of Overeem that is Ubereem. If you had seen those fights, you would be aware of this.

Anyhow, there is nothing that make my view debatable. If you're hinting I haven't seen Reem crush a couple cans in Dream then I can assure I've seen all those fights. I've been watching Allistiar pre Pride. I can tell you one thing, when at his most Uber he faced a good Hw he didn't look so great. Remember the fight vs Werdum in SF?? Close decision, Reem couldn't hurt him and was slightly outstruck in that fight. Based on that performance, I think it's pretty safe to say Stipe would be fine to win that. From 08 to 11 he was just stronger, but same style, same defense and chin/recovery....Stipe finishes him.

 

[campbecc]

Under USADA he would.

 

[Final Say]

Under USADA he would.

If stipe ever took the same shit overeem was on, nobody ever would have beat him.

 

[kenetics]

You have no point

Struve = best ever

Stipe = totally different fighter after

‘Fedor lost to Fabio, so any fighter can beat him on his best day’

Is equal to your logic. The exact same thing

It's not because struve and stipe fault closer to equal ground when it comes to fights and ahe when they fought. Stipe was supposed to win that fight because struve was coming off some devastating kos..

 

[Final Say]

It's not because struve and stipe fault closer to equal ground when it comes to fights and ahe when they fought. Stipe was supposed to win that fight because struve was coming off some devastating kos..

Fabio was past his prime too. Same thing

 

[kenetics]

Fabio was past his prime too. Same thing

Ya but fabio didn't fight as tough of fighters fedor did his whole career. People forget to mention all fedor fights in combat sambo which is closets to mma fights than any other sports. That's alot of milage gain before their actual fight.

 

[Final Say]

Ya but fabio didn't fight as tough of fighters fedor did his whole career. People forget to mention all fedor fights in combat sambo which is closets to mma fights than any other sports. That's alot of milage gain before their actual fight.

Oh so they were both out of their primes but fedor was more out of his prime

 

[kenetics]

Oh so they were both out of their primes but fedor was more out of his prime

Well anyone who follow fedor career know how much speed and explosiveness he lost as he got older. It's night and day.

I was actually at the arvloski fight when fedor fought him. I could definitely tell he looked slower and timing . I actually think that's where it started. Plus his coaches said that fedor wasn't even training nowhere as he used too.

We all know if your atheltism goes, your pretty much done if you a fight like fedor, belfort, Anthony johnson, etc.. fighters like that have the biggest falls.

 

[djacobox372]

Stipe beat the best version of Overeem.

Ubereem was slow and overrated.

 

[King.]

What I mean by better fighter is that he developed certain parts of his game and fought with more strategy and patience. That's why he was able to do well with guys like JDS. That's being a better fighter. Ubereem and the guy who was off PEDs post the Lesnar fight fought the same way. From 2004 to 2011 Alistair had the same style. It was until 2013 after those loses in the UFC till he adapted.

You're just assuming, there is nothing to can prove this one way or another. You think this and I think otherwise whether he beats those guys on the juice.

I said UFC because the subject was his losses. You said this below....I am assuming we're talking about his losses to Ben etc.

All those KO losses you mention were not the version of Overeem that is Ubereem. If you had seen those fights, you would be aware of this.

Anyhow, there is nothing that make my view debatable. If you're hinting I haven't seen Reem crush a couple cans in Dream then I can assure I've seen all those fights. I've been watching Allistiar pre Pride. I can tell you one thing, when at his most Uber he faced a good Hw he didn't look so great. Remember the fight vs Werdum in SF?? Close decision, Reem couldn't hurt him and was slightly outstruck in that fight. Based on that performance, I think it's pretty safe to say Stipe would be fine to win that. From 08 to 11 he was just stronger, but same style, same defense and chin/recovery....Stipe finishes him.

Ok, nothing debatable then, if you say so.

 

[Final Say]

Well anyone who follow fedor career know how much speed and explosiveness he lost as he got older. It's night and day.

I was actually at the arvloski fight when fedor fought him. I could definitely tell he looked slower and timing . I actually think that's where it started. Plus his coaches said that fedor wasn't even training nowhere as he used too.

We all know if your atheltism goes, your pretty much done if you a fight like fedor, belfort, Anthony johnson, etc.. fighters like that have the biggest falls.

But the same can be said about Fabio so it was an equal fight

 

[kenetics]

But the same can be said about Fabio so it was an equal fight

Didn't follow his career. Don't even know if he ever had his prime in mma.

 

[Hitman]

For sure, I was going to say 60/40 in favor of Stipe. Overeem did drop Stipe in their fight. But I just trust Stipe’s chin and durability more, and I think he has a better fight iq as well.

Yeah, and problem with Ubereem was his cardio....