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This coming from a Conor fan lol.
Would Fedor's legacy have been hurt had his first post-Pride losses happened in the UFC instead of Strikeforce?
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Whoa buddy Bobb Sapp was 30 times the fighter Brett “Touch It” Rogers was. So beaten like small child by non prime Bigfoot what about that one
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Fixed it.
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No.
Werdum is a great fighter, there is no shame in losing that after the insane streak Fedor was on. It's HW, you can lose, it happens. And Roided up Bigfoot and Henderson are no bad fighters either and were on the gear heavily.
I just don't like the idea of 'hurt' legacies because of late out of prime losses. The fact that GSP retired at the right time does nothing for the goat conversation for me vs Anderson, Jones and Fedor.
You just have to look at their careers in total, how long were they on top? What was the level of competition? That's legacy to me.
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I think it wouldn't change anything, yes he would lose to some of the HW's back than in the UFC. But it wouldn't discredit his legacy at all. He still will be known as the greatest imo.
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i feel like strikeforce had a stronger HW division than the UFC did during the time.. at least till reem left...
when all those ppl were calling him a duck for not going to the ufc... when perhaps the reality is.... going to the UFC woulda been the duck..
tho he was duckin reem under the ruse of "he needs to get ped tested 9001 times for me to fight him'... yet was willing to fight barnett which was a self snitch that PEDs being the reason to not fight reem was a BS excuse
when all those ppl were calling him a duck for not going to the ufc... when perhaps the reality is.... going to the UFC woulda been the duck..
tho he was duckin reem under the ruse of "he needs to get ped tested 9001 times for me to fight him'... yet was willing to fight barnett which was a self snitch that PEDs being the reason to not fight reem was a BS excuse
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The dude Fedor lost to, Werdum, was KO'd out of the UFC by JDS.
Who at the time Fedor lost to Werdum JDS was now on a 6 fight win streak in the UFC that would ultimately continue right to the title 2 fights later meanwhile Fedor was rebounding after his 3 losses by leaving Strikeforce to fight Monson in M1.
"Strikeforce had the better HW division" is pure revisionist nonsense that Fedor fans came up with as their best possible excuse for why Fedor didn't go to the UFC and why his losses there are okay instead of having lost in the UFC.
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It's always hilarious how nobody ever mentions Werdum's own PED failures when it comes to Fedor's losses. It's almost like it's a rather selective excuse for you guys.
Anyways. Yes, it absolutely does matter that Fedor lost to guys like Werdum, Bigfoot, and Henderson instead of Randy, Brock, Mir, JDS, Cain, Carwin, Jones etc. who were by contrast the UFC's own champions or interims at that same time.
It's a hell of a lot worse to have lost to Strikeforce's random HW contenders and LHW champion instead of better fighters.
The entire reason you guys are "okay" with the losses is precisely because it wasn't against UFC champions or contenders so the UFC guys never "got one" over you.
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Some dork who lost to Fabio Maldanabo and fought Jaideep Singh in his “comeback” is not a legend! It’s just a guy who was around when MMA hadn’t grown into a well rounded discipline like it is now. If Fedor debuts in 2003 at the same age he originally debuted, and fights under an athletic commission for his career, he’s a .500 HW at best. His record under an AC is my proof. 5-6 not counting affliction, which changes it to 7-6. Mid chubby HW
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He left to fight Jaideep Singh, never forget he fought Jaideep Singh in his 40th pro fight like a real scrub
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He'd have been brutally beaten by practically any UFC LHW and HW, and even by most MWs. The guy had success as a ring fighter but always looked lost in the cage.
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Hard to say.
It seemed like something changed in Fedor's training/preparations. Around those loses and for quite awhile after that. He was fighting with basically zero game plan and was trying to push the pace at all times. It was reckless most of the time. Then he seemed to calm down some again around 17 to 18 and has kind of remained there until the end.
Maybe being in the UFC might have changed his approach to it all, hard to say. Not sure what was going on in his mind or personal life at those times.
It seemed like something changed in Fedor's training/preparations. Around those loses and for quite awhile after that. He was fighting with basically zero game plan and was trying to push the pace at all times. It was reckless most of the time. Then he seemed to calm down some again around 17 to 18 and has kind of remained there until the end.
Maybe being in the UFC might have changed his approach to it all, hard to say. Not sure what was going on in his mind or personal life at those times.
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horse meat reem alone > the entire UFC at the time. Even without the horse meat, he made JDS look like dogshit
DC in hindsight perhaps was better than Cain. Between Cain's flash in the Pan, Contenders for JDS were so thin they had to go to Frank Mur to find a contender, whom got plooked by multiple strikeforce fighters once they came over
To really put into perspective just how overrated the UFC's HW division was at the time, you had 9001 year old LHW Randy as the champ or among their top HW ranked.
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Dan Henderson weighed in under 200 pounds when he last competed at LHW. Given your typical water cut - under 7% is not a lot of water weight for a high-level pro fighter to cut - that makes him a smallish middleweight. For the Fedor fight he basically had to eat non-stop to put on enough weight to make the HW minimum.
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The difference was that when he was young his incredible reflexes let him get away with it.
Similar to RJJ.
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Fedor is blameless.
No sense talking to Markg on a logical level.
He legit only exists to glaze Jones and put down any other "goat" candidates
Just say "Oi you cunt, if you'da said that about Fedor down me local pub I'da put you through the cobbles.
No sense talking to Markg on a logical level.
He legit only exists to glaze Jones and put down any other "goat" candidates
Just say "Oi you cunt, if you'da said that about Fedor down me local pub I'da put you through the cobbles.
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First time I've seen RJJ compared to Fedor, and it's not a bad comparison when considering their careers. Jones was at one point, viewed by some as heading toward GOAT contention. However, when he began losing fights in his mid-30s, some now hold those later-career losses against his overall legacy.
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The reason Jon's not getting KO'd by the Old Man Ryan Bader's of the world like Fedor was is because he understands you're supposed to evolve as you age and actually do something with all your experience.
