Would Big Nog have defeated Brock at UFC 100?

laleggenda27 said:
It wouldn't have looked anything like Brock's fight with Mir. That's not to say Brock couldn't have won--it's entirely possible he could hurt Nog on the feet and finish him on the ground. But Brock would NEVER have been able to sit in Nog's guard for an extended period of time. His guard was much better than Mir's guard. Mir was brilliant at catching submissions during transitions (which is how he caught Nog). But if you got past the transition and crushed the space on him, Mir's guard was nothing to write home about.

Brock stayed in Mir's half-guard for almost an entire round and battered his face. Nog would have swept Brock from half guard (like he did to Timmeh) or, at the very least, regained full guard and started threatening submissions.
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How much better do gou guys really think Ricco's top game wasthan Brocks??


Pride Nog couldnt sweep and was taken down at will by Ricco. Bork clobbers him


LOL at comparing Timmy to Bork
 
MartinGibson86 said:
So did Mir.























You really think Nog is subbing Brock off gis back??
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No, but he would tire him out and finish him in the later rounds ala Bob Sapp. Brock had shit cardio whereas Nog had some of the best HW has ever seen. He was still going strong at the end of Fedor 3.



Unlike Ricco, Mir never had decent positional grappling, he was great at catching quick subs from unorthodox positions (Tank, Brock 1, Nog 2), but outside of that was not very refined. He could not compete at ADCC like Ricco did. Nogueira was a great positional grappler and outside of Fedor 1, he never took alot of damage from the guard.

Long story short, Nogueira weathers any early storm, tires out Brock, and either subs or TKO's him in round 4 or 5.
 
Supereem said:
No, but he would tire him out and finish him in the later rounds ala Bob Sapp. Brock had shit cardio whereas Nog had some of the best HW has ever seen. He was still going strong at the end of Fedor 3.



Unlike Ricco, Mir never had decent positional grappling, he was great at catching quick subs from unorthodox positions (Tank, Brock 1, Nog 2), but outside of that was not very refined. He could not compete at ADCC like Ricco did. Nogueira was a great positional grappler and outside of Fedor 1, he never took alot of damage from the guard.

Long story short, Nogueira weathers any early storm, tires out Brock, and either subs or TKO's him in round 4 or 5.
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Sapp lol.


What are you basing Brock's shit cardio on?


He mauled Hunt and Herring for 3 rounds
 
MartinGibson86 said:
How much better do gou guys really think Ricco's top game wasthan Brocks??


Pride Nog couldnt sweep and was taken down at will by Ricco. Bork clobbers him


LOL at comparing Timmy to Bork
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1. Ricco's BJJ was lightyears ahead of Brock's. And obviously Brock's wrestling was much better than Ricco's. So yes, Brock could certainly take Nog down whenever he wanted. Sweeping a high-level BJJ player like Ricco is in no way related to sweeping a wrestler who was a submission grappling neophyte.

2. I wasn't comparing Timmeh to Brock. I was simply giving an example of what I was talking about. Nog was very good at half guard sweeps (and regaining guard); Brock would never be able to hold Nog in half guard like he did to Mir.
 
laleggenda27 said:
1. Ricco's BJJ was lightyears ahead of Brock's. And obviously Brock's wrestling was much better than Ricco's. So yes, Brock could certainly take Nog down whenever he wanted. Sweeping a high-level BJJ player like Ricco is in no way related to sweeping a wrestler who was a submission grappling neophyte.







2. I wasn't comparing Timmeh to Brock. I was simply giving an example of what I was talking about. Nog was very good at half guard sweeps (and regaining guard); Brock would never be able to hold Nog in half guard like he did to Mir.
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He has no idea.
 
Nog had had staph when he fought Mir the first time. Idk that he'd have lost against him otherwise. He was super out of shape, slow. Healthy Nog during that time beats Mir and Lesnar.
 
Supereem said:
No, but he would tire him out and finish him in the later rounds ala Bob Sapp. Brock had shit cardio whereas Nog had some of the best HW has ever seen. He was still going strong at the end of Fedor 3.

Unlike Ricco, Mir never had decent positional grappling, he was great at catching quick subs from unorthodox positions (Tank, Brock 1, Nog 2), but outside of that was not very refined. He could not compete at ADCC like Ricco did. Nogueira was a great positional grappler and outside of Fedor 1, he never took alot of damage from the guard.

Long story short, Nogueira weathers any early storm, tires out Brock, and either subs or TKO's him in round 4 or 5.
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I mean if controlling Nog was THAT easy then Barnett would have done it as well but he got swept multiple times in those fights plus of course Nog did actually sweep Fedor as well in the first fight, just got swept back. Fedor basically forced Nog to go with a more defensive tighter guard in the rematches to limit the punishment he could inflict but it also limited the potential for sweeps.

By 2010 I think you could argue Nog wasnt at the same level as a grappler but I suspect he was still good enough when combined with his toughness that Brock would have trouble putting him away. Really Mir was always vunerable to hanging onto half guard and getting pulped waiting for a sub opening that never came, Freeman and De Pano did it before Brock did. I think Nog would at the very least have a better defencive guard than that even in 2010 not to mention being significantly tougher.

Not a match I'd like to pick but the idea of Nog avoiding being finished for 2-3 rounds and then Brock slowly down and taking punishment standing or putting himself in a bad position on the ground is I think pretty reasonable.
 
asdf122345 said:
Pride Nog yes. UFC Nog no...
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This. Pride Nog with pride rules. That's 10 mins in the first round to work would have submitted Brock. But UFC Nog whilst still good was not the same
 
Haj01 said:
This. Pride Nog with pride rules. That's 10 mins in the first round to work would have submitted Brock. But UFC Nog whilst still good was not the same
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Brock would have power bombed any and all versions of Nog.

Dont let wwf fool you. Brock was green but an absolute wrecking ball.

Cain was too much for him but, if not green, Brock would have rekt a lot of people. Nog may have lasted longer than Fedor but Brock puts both out cold in the same night and in a few rds.
 
Supereem said:
No, but he would tire him out and finish him in the later rounds ala Bob Sapp. Brock had shit cardio whereas Nog had some of the best HW has ever seen. He was still going strong at the end of Fedor 3.



Unlike Ricco, Mir never had decent positional grappling, he was great at catching quick subs from unorthodox positions (Tank, Brock 1, Nog 2), but outside of that was not very refined. He could not compete at ADCC like Ricco did. Nogueira was a great positional grappler and outside of Fedor 1, he never took alot of damage from the guard.

Long story short, Nogueira weathers any early storm, tires out Brock, and either subs or TKO's him in round 4 or 5.
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I largely agree. One problem for Nog would be his love of wrist control to set up position from the bottom. I don't know how well that would work for him against Brock.
 
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