Crime Woman in Minneapolis Executed by ICE Officers; White House Reflexively Hand Waves Murder

[AmonTobin]

Her immigration status was not known by the officer, and is completely irrelevant to the situation, when she threatened the officer with lethal force.


Irrelevant to the situation this thread is about.
You can discuss that in the other Anti-ICE thread.

Completely relevant. You claim only illegal immigrants are affected my ICE brutality when that’s simply not true and never has been. This murder is more proof of that.

 

[bubbleboyjones]

The fact he responded with pulling his gun rather than simply stepping away from the car completely undermines the self defense excuse. No reasonable person would believe a bullet would instantly stop a car at that range, and the instinct for anyone from a human to a dog, would be to simply evade the car. Instead he chose to remain standing in front of the car and put himself in danger.

Opinion on a bullet stopping a vehicle at that distance is not what the objective reasonable test would be. There are instances of officers not even getting prosecuted let alone being found not guilty for worst than what we saw.

Is there a reasonable expectation the agent felt a threat from the vehicle and then about the ability to move out of the path of the vehicle. As soon as you are in a territory of an officer directly in front of a vehicle that launches at him its a very strong defense. Its clear from the video the there was a threat with the vehicle and being that close while also with the agent standing on what looks like a sheet of ice on the road so that is probably going to be a strong argument for his defense. If you think thats completely wrong and its a 100% slam dunk hes going to be guilty I mean I don't know what to tell you. Again we will find out clearly to see if you are right here and if more video shows up but I cant see how anyone reasonable can be sure on that outcome unless its just strong bias.

 

[b34stmode]

Oh', they definitely should. It's been a great tool at exposing the lunatics police have to deal with on a daily basis.

They have a 90 billion dollar yearly budget. So why aren't they equipped with bodycams?

 

[Absolut]

Maybe people should read the guidelines on when he is allowed to shoot into a moving vehicle.

 

[DoctorTaco]

This clip settles all reasonable debate.

 

[HereticBD]

They have a 90 billion dollar yearly budget. So why aren't they equipped with bodycams?

Don't know, but they definitely should be. Amazing tool.

 

[b34stmode]

Opinion on a bullet stopping a vehicle at that distance is not what the objective reasonable test would be. There are instances of officers not even getting prosecuted let alone being found not guilty for worst than what we saw.

Is there a reasonable expectation the agent felt a threat from the vehicle and then about the ability to move out of the path of the vehicle. As soon as you are in a territory of an officer directly in front of a vehicle that launches at him its a very strong defense. Its clear from the video the there was a threat with the vehicle and being that close while also with the agent standing on what looks like a sheet of ice on the road so that is probably going to be a strong argument for his defense. If you think thats completely wrong and its a 100% slam dunk hes going to be guilty I mean I don't know what to tell you. Again we will find out clearly to see if you are right here and if more video shows up but I cant see how anyone reasonable can be sure on that outcome unless its just strong bias.

The woman most likely didn't even see the agent who shot her. We will never know because ICE agents don't have bodycams.

 

[Roids]

Anger at somebody not listening to instruction. This isn't difficult man. It's not an excuse. It's a viable hyopthesis on why this particular guy was so trigger happy in the situation. The first event happened 6 months ago.

You picked 1 general symptom of anger and completely ignored the broader aspects of PTSD reactions which is clearly explained as fear, fright and avoidance of the same traumatic event. Someone having PTSD from being hit by a car would be scared and cautious around cars. The agents actions showed no fear, they were the opposite of risk avoidance and fear.

 

[freakroor]

LOL @ the people on here defending the shooting.

 

[PeterGriffin]

I understand the underlying cause and motivation of all human action and behaviour.

Ahhh. Was just curious.

Eventually I will either want to match wits with a psychiatrist or have to, lol.

 

[Natural Order]

Don't know, but they definitely should be. Amazing tool.

100%. It's a basic technology that allows full understanding of shit-tier actors from both sides of the aisle.

At this point it should be standard issue to anybody with a gun who deals with the public.

 

[Ares Black]

2020 Summer of MSM Mostly Peaceful Protests showed Kyle issued major restraint in a lawless situation. PLENTY of videos are online showing he was in a sea of people and only shot those attacking him.

He had zero reason to be there. He put himself in harm's way and then killed two people.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Completely relevant. You claim only illegal immigrants are affected my ICE brutality when that’s simply not true and never has been. This murder is more proof of that.

Do yourself a favor... Go type "Can federal agents stop, give lawful orders to, and defend themselves with lethal force against persons they don't know their citizenship status?"

And cut & paste the answer in this thread.

Go ahead and do it.

Maybe you'll figure out why everyone that knows anything about the law considers you retarded for honestly posting that assertion as if it was fact.

 

[Natural Order]

Ahhh. Was just curious.

Eventually I will either want to match wits with a psychiatrist or have to, lol.

You're in Nova Scotia too. We could meet up sometime, have a brew and solve the world's problems!

 

[b34stmode]

Don't know, but they definitely should be. Amazing tool.

Why do we have thousands of agents with minimum training, going around major cities in our nation, with their entire face covered, armed and dressed in military garb, WITH NO BODYCAMS ON?

They have a 90 BILLION DOLLAR YEARLY BUDGET.

They are killing US citizens with no bodycams and have the VP telling the nation they have immunty to shoot and kill US Citizens. Our Country is COOKED.

 

[PeterGriffin]

You're in Nova Scotia too. We could meet up sometime, have a brew and solve the world's problems!

Oh shit, that's right.

Valley, right?

 

[HereticBD]

You picked 1 general symptom of anger and completely ignored the broader aspects of PTSD reactions which is clearly explained as fear, fright and avoidance of the same traumatic event. Someone having PTSD from being hit by a car would be scared and cautious around cars. The agents actions showed no fear, they were the opposite of risk avoidance and fear.

You're arguing with someone on your side. This "purity test/pseudo psychiatrist" shit that you're currently running on him, is why you lose people. He's being reasonable. You're being a fucking twat.

 

[Substance Abuse]

 

[Limbo Pete]

They weren't responding for MONTHS in Portland. There were 24/7 live streams of the protests outside the Portland ICE facility.

Cops were not coming at all in the entire area. People were getting habitually assaulted and cops never showed up. I can link dozens of examples all on video.

This is absolute nonsense. The cops were around that area constantly. I saw them, physically and in person, with my own eyes.

 

[Natural Order]

Oh shit, that's right.

Valley, right?

Nope I'm in Sack Vegas! Some woman brought me to these parts....