Crime Woman in Minneapolis Executed by ICE Officers; White House Reflexively Hand Waves Murder

cottagecheesefan said:
If he felt she was a threat to others, that completely negates this last part of your post. Because it isn’t about himself at all, it is about other potential victims.

And like if she wasn’t shot, you really think she is going to maintain speed limited stop, obey all traffic signs and signals, etc, as she flees arrest? Of course not. Especially in a residential area where pedestrians are common, cross sections without traffic lights, etc, she could be seen as a clear and present danger. He only had a split second to act

I do wish more video was available prior to the incident to see how aggressive she was through out their operations and such. To better assess their cause to want to detain her. If threats of detaining her if she didn’t move were given, etc
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why would he assume she's a threat to others? makes NO sense. none.

again, you can't kill someone because you think they may violate traffic laws when she didn't even violate any moving traffic laws.
 
Hog-train said:
This amount of biased gaslighting just makes people angry. We have eyeballs dude. You're full of shit.

Here is the video SLOWED DOWN. Second video from top.

The car hits him in the torso and lower body.

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Man you should really get your eyes and brain checked. He's already initiated contact with the vehicle himself prior to her driving. He's literally put himself in harms way like a complete fucking scrub, which goes against everything in their training and policy.

And he had his gun drawn as she was backing up.

We all notice none of you hacks can address this.....
 
Natural Order said:
Man you should really get your eyes and brain checked. He's already initiated contact with the vehicle himself prior to her driving. He's literally put himself in harms way like a complete fucking scrub, which goes against everything in their training and policy.

And he had his gun drawn as she was backing up.

We all notice none of you hacks can address this.....
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Yeah this discussion is absolutely insane. These people are too far gone.
 
LMP said:
You don't know if they were trying to de-escalate the situation? I mean its pretty clear when they got out of their vehicle and said"get the fuck out of the vehicle" That they were not going to de-escalate that situation. And you don't know if walking around the passenger side of the vehicle to stand in front of the vehicle may not be a safe thing to do? Come on fella, even our law enforcement guts will tell you that they handled this like shit.

It's why the narrative has to be she was blocking the ice vehicles, even though she was waving them to go in front of her. We see another vehicle do it with no issue. That doesn't see. Like much of a road block. DHS even said themselves that they currently had finished for the day. Then they reported to local law enforcement no officers were hurt, yet we get government officials including our President making false claims that an officer was recovering in the hospital? Come on now, with so much evidence showing that the offucal narrative they tried to build was bullshit and that the agents completely disregarded their of guidelines, it pretty silly to say that this was justified.
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I mean, these people you’re arguing with are telling the same lies to justify it. You think they care if the government is also lying? That’s literally their cover.
 
Natural Order said:
They were yelling at her to leave 15 seconds prior you absolute numpty.
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News I saw was apparently this was like a 3 minute ordeal where she was blocking the road.

So if she's being ordered to leave for 3 minutes and she's not complying - then they finally get fed up and go to arrest her, she can't claim "oh you told me to leave so I was confused" while in the act of getting arrested.

Natural Order said:
Man you should really get your eyes and brain checked. He's already initiated contact with the vehicle himself prior to her driving. He's literally put himself in harms way like a complete fucking scrub, which goes against everything in their training and policy.
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What difference does that make? Initiating contact with an arm on the car doesn't give her a legal excuse to drive forward and hit him.

Natural Order said:
And he had his gun drawn as she was backing up.

We all notice none of you hacks can address this.....
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Is that legal? I honestly don't know.

I tried Googling it and it says this:

"A federal agent may draw their gun based on the tactical situation and their reasonable belief that it may be necessary to use the firearm in accordance with agency policies. The decision to draw is primarily for safety and the ability to respond to potential threats, not necessarily to fire."
  • Imminent Danger: An agent may draw and use deadly force only when they have a reasonable belief that the subject poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the agent or another person.
  • Objective Reasonableness: The use of force, including drawing a weapon, is judged by an "objectively reasonable" standard based on the facts and circumstances known to the agent at that moment, without the benefit of hindsight.
  • Tactical Situations: Weapons are often drawn during high-risk scenarios such as executing arrest or search warrants, clearing a building, or during vehicle stops where a threat may be anticipated.
  • Fleeing Subjects: Deadly force cannot be used solely to prevent a suspect's escape unless the agent reasonably believes the fleeing subject poses a significant threat of death or serious physical harm to others.
 
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Ares Black said:
Everyone justifying the murder of a young mother should take a long look in the mirror. You are on the wrong side of history and your posts in this thread will be remembered. Truly pathetic behaviour.
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It’s almost shocking, if you forget their consistently abhorrent behaviour on this forum. Some are likely just sad incels trolling for reaction. Others probably genuinely believe what they write and are in serious need of mental help.
 
nhbbear said:
So, I am going to go a couple ways with this one.

First and foremost, cops don’t “shoot to kill” they are actually trained to “shoot to stop the threat” but they are absolutely trained to shoot vital targets-torso and if that isn’t available, head or you do a double tap to the chest and one to the head-we used to do that drill all the time. Another reason cops aim center mass is that it is the biggest part of the body and thus the easiest to hit under stress and it is the area that contains the most vital organs that is more likely to put a suspect down. Sure, a headshot is always your best bet to take someone out, but remember the head is a smaller target and thus, harder to hit especially while under duress.

Second, I really can’t make up my mind definitively one way or the other on this one. Why did they stop her? What were their intentions if they got her stopped? That matters to me a lot.

Third, as for the actual shooting-when I watched the videos, I couldn’t actually tell which one fired at first-I saw the elevated video first that shows the officer almost get hit. Then I saw the one where the officer grabs her door handle and I still wasn’t immediately sure because you see bullets striking the windshield near the officer that grabbed the door handle. I also have to add that I watched this after I had taken ambien as well, which can fuzzy the eyesight a bit. I don’t get fucked up or anything. The first couple times I took ambien, I had a hell of a fucking trip- but it seems you get inoculated to it very quickly and even if you go quite a while without taking one, that first wild trip never comes back. It’s either like “chasing the dragon” as they used to say with opium or it actually reminds me more of Stephen King’s “The Dome” where people feel a shock and see a vision the first time they actually touch the dome but then it never happens again.

Anyway, I am rambling.

So on to my next point. Why did the officer fire two more times when he stepped out of the way? That one’s trickier. First, use of force should cease once the threat is passed, so by that thinking, once he was definitively out of the way, he should shoot anymore-in theory, at least. However, there are two caveats there.

First, the easy to explain one. That officer doesn’t know if there are any officers behind him that are possibly in the path of her vehicle and he felt he had to act and act immediately or she would be passed him and if there was an officer behind him, he would miss his chance and would never have the time to first check if there is an officer in her path and be able to react.

Second, there are so many studies that try to gauge an officer’s reaction time and how long it takes the human brain to first, detect a threat, second you process that information and label it as a threat, third you make decision to act-and fourth-you act, ie draw gun if not out already and shoot.

Now, after making the decision to shoot and you actually shoot, now you have to go back down the ladder when it’s time to stop shooting. You have to perceive that the threat is passed, process that information, tell your body to stop pulling the trigger which is a trained and untrained reflex at that point, then the “stop shooting” signal has to travel back down the body to the hands


Hope this helps or was what you were seeking
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Very helpful, I appreciate this. I said earlier in the thread and I think that this is the way I’m looking at it- it was technically justified but entirely unnecessary. She was accelerating a car in his direction. He did step in front of her and definitely had time to take one step to his right which would’ve carried him out of bodily harms way. He also starts to draw down her car is in reverse.

The ambien thing reminded me a fun little anecdote involving that particular sleep aid and a fairly well-known MMA fighter. I’ll DM you though because I don’t like putting their stuff out there if it’s not common knowledge.
 
sickc0d3r said:
I mean, these people you’re arguing with are telling the same lies to justify it. You think they care if the government is also lying? That’s literally their cover.
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Yeah the extrajudicial murder of a young mother is one thing. It's a tragedy, and a crime.

But the really disturbing thing is the shameless lying by the President of the United States and the administration. Everyone has seen the video and can clearly see that they're lying. They are literally trying to cover up a murder and rewrite history in real time.

This is completely insane, even by MAGA standards.
 
cottagecheesefan said:
If he felt she was a threat to others, that completely negates this last part of your post. Because it isn’t about himself at all, it is about other potential victims.

And like if she wasn’t shot, you really think she is going to maintain speed limited stop, obey all traffic signs and signals, etc, as she flees arrest? Of course not. Especially in a residential area where pedestrians are common, cross sections without traffic lights, etc, she could be seen as a clear and present danger. He only had a split second to act

I do wish more video was available prior to the incident to see how aggressive she was through out their operations and such. To better assess their cause to want to detain her. If threats of detaining her if she didn’t move were given, etc
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It's not just what his personal opinion is. It's what a resonable person would believe. You're having to make up scenarios in your head of what *might* have happened if she hadn't been killed. You're not justifying this based on the ample video evidence we have.

Sure. If she was shouting and screaming she was going to kill everyone before attempting to drive off that would change my mind. But that didn't at all look like the case. So hoping something like that was happening before she was shot for attempting to flee a misdemeanor arrest doesn't help your argument.

You're wrong here and keep hoping something comes up that makes you into the right.
 
Ares Black said:
Yeah this discussion is absolutely insane. These people are too far gone.
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I'm a guy who is big on law and order.

This ain't it. This was generally an egregious display of violent ego and gross incompetence that went against everything in their training manual and policy.

Sadly, this should be a wake up to citizens not to fuck around, even if they are in the right. With Dump and Krash at the helm, these ass clowns will feel emboldened that they've got free reign to act how they want.
 
Libero cane v2 said:
It’s almost shocking, if you forget their consistently abhorrent behaviour on this forum. Some are likely just sad incels trolling for reaction. Others probably genuinely believe what they write and are in serious need of mental help.
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I think they are chronically online and have completely lost touch with reality. And many of them.are just legitimately terrible people.
 
Looks like protestors are being arrested today.
In a free society, protests should be allowed, but unfortunately, we have reached a point that it seems that one side is OK with people getting arrested for disagreeing with an administration they support.
What has happened to America?
 
44nutman said:
Looks like protestors are being arrested today.
In a free society, protests should be allowed, but unfortunately, we have reached a point that it seems that one side is OK with people getting arrested for disagreeing with an administration they support.
What has happened to America?
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They elected a literal fascist regime, but they didn't know what that meant.
 
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