Crime Woman in Minneapolis Executed by ICE Officers; White House Reflexively Hand Waves Murder

[b34stmode]

"DHS LEOs should also avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force."


https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/f...-05-department-policy-on-the-use-of-force.pdf




@cottagecheesebrains

I posted this yesterday and they refused to believe it and started making up fantasy scenarios. It’s all they can do apparently

 

[HockeyBjj]

Why wouldn’t he feel she is a threat to other agents or other people in general? She could have fled and the immediately plowed into others, as she clearly is willing to disregard traffic laws? She literally just hit him. Why wouldn’t he think she may hit others, which could easily cause serious harm or death.

She is fleeing arrest. Unhinged people fleeing arrest are some of the most dangerous and hit pedestrians and other drivers, often causing death and serious harm.

Seems your post gives good justification for the shot

This person, who hadn’t caused any harm until she bumped the agent, was going to suddenly become a deadly threat to others of the officer hadn’t stood in the way of her car?

Also I see you avoided responding to the quote of “DHS LEOs should also avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force." Which is what the officer did that directly lead to this.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Not sped up at all. 5 seconds in. She clearly hit him with the car.

100% proof here she hit him with the car, something I never even previously argued

 

[Natural Order]

The problem wasn’t Babbit it would have been the mob trying to get in she was also warned to back off trying to enter a building unlawfully can you explain how breaking in is the same as getting attacked sitting in your car ? She also had a knife in her jacket with a mob outside and two windows were broke one on purpose the other forcefully, make it make sense .Lol

Only the dumbest of dumb people could ever compare these two scenarios, from an analytical perspective, or a moral one.

 

[nhbbear]

Where's @nhbbear when you need him?

Right here, man. I kind of responded earlier in the thread, but I hadn’t really made up my mind yet. Dr Taco tagged me in and I just answered him and hopefully, answered his question. My first post was more in reaction to someone posting the video of the officer that shot a woman in a Kroger parking lot after she stole alcohol and drove straight at an officer standing in front of her vehicle.

My response was talking about the family’s demand for charges as well as other issues. I just did a deeper dive and will post that in a minute.

Anyway, see my response to taco

 

[Other]

Federal Coverup is well underway, not allowing the state access to information

https://www.startribune.com/fbi-pushes-minnesota-investigators-aside-in-ice-shooting-probe-ellison-calls-move-a-stupid-thing/601560196

Denying a doctor to check on the victim, and now this?

The absurdity that people believe this is a well-functioning government at this point is insane.

 

[nhbbear]

Bootlicker

Cocklicker

 

[b34stmode]

Not sped up at all. 5 seconds in. She clearly hit him with the car.

He is CLEARLY moving FORWARD into the car.

Do you think DHS trains agents to do that?


Do you think the lady saw this agent?

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

He is CLEARLY moving FORWARD into the car.

Do you think DHS trains agents to do that?


Do you think the lady saw this agent?

holy shit you're still denying it, you clearly are not able to accept being wrong

 

[cottagecheesefan]

So you concede the entirety of the situation was created by dummies not doing their job properly.

Gotcha.

Huh? I said she was clearly a thread to others, and with a car, that could be deadly or create serious harm.

You don’t seem to disagree and are just putting words in my mouth.

As per what you posted, her being shot is warranted because she was a threat.

Not sped up at all. 5 seconds in. She clearly hit him with the car.

Slams on the gas to avoid arrest and flee, hitting someone. Seems she is a clear and present danger with her erratic driving, and a car is considered a deadly weapon.

Based on this, seems totally justified:


a. Fleeing Subjects: Deadly force shall not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing subject. However, deadly force is authorized to prevent the escape of a fleeing subject where the LEO has a reasonable belief that the subject poses a significant threat of death or serious physical harm to the LEO or others and such force is necessary to prevent escape.


https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/f...-05-department-policy-on-the-use-of-force.pdf

 

[Natural Order]

Huh? I said she was clearly a thread to others, and with a car, that could be deadly or create serious harm.

You don’t seem to disagree and are just putting words in my mouth.

As per what you posted, her being shot is warranted because she was a threat.



Slams on the gas to avoid arrest and flee, hitting someone. Seems she is a clear and present danger with her erratic driving, and a car is considered a deadly weapon.

Based on this, seems totally justified:


a. Fleeing Subjects: Deadly force shall not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing subject. However, deadly force is authorized to prevent the escape of a fleeing subject where the LEO has a reasonable belief that the subject poses a significant threat of death or serious physical harm to the LEO or others and such force is necessary to prevent escape.


https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/f...-05-department-policy-on-the-use-of-force.pdf

Man you're wobbling around like Kevin Lee on queer street.

Take a nap.

 

[Deaths Head]

So why do you think ashli was climbing through the window? What do you think her goal was? Do you think she had an intent?

She just wanted to meet Pelosi and get a pic with her with an autograph and wanted to beat the crowd rioting who were also fighting to get to meet her rumor had it they were giving out free candy and beer which caused the ruckus .

 

[cottagecheesefan]

This person, who hadn’t caused any harm until she bumped the agent, was going to suddenly become a deadly threat to others of the officer hadn’t stood in the way of her car?

Also I see you avoided responding to the quote of “DHS LEOs should also avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force." Which is what the officer did that directly lead to this.

There will be an investigation into that. But you don’t consider someone speeding off to flee arrest in a residential area is not a danger to others? Really?

 

[Spounman]

 

[syct23]

He is CLEARLY moving FORWARD into the car.

Do you think DHS trains agents to do that?


Do you think the lady saw this agent?

Of course she saw the agent,

That’s why she tried to avoid him. Just look at which direction her wheels are pointing..

 

[Hog-train]

He is CLEARLY moving FORWARD into the car.

Are you blind? Right before he gets hit, he tales a step back. Look at his feet.

Do you think DHS trains agents to do that?

The point is she hit him. All you people claiming she didn't are wrong. Stop trying to gaslight people. We all have eyes.

Do you think the lady saw this agent?

That's irrelevant. She hit him with the car, so whether she saw or didn't see him makes zero difference from the perspective of the agent.

 

[Rational Poster]

Not sped up at all. 5 seconds in. She clearly hit him with the car.

He initiates contact with the car with his arms and is pushed away when she starts accelerating away from the officers.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

This kind of hyperbole and nonsensical take only worsens the tensions and stupidity of the American duopoly. When you're on the right side of morality, just let it speak for itself and refrain from theatrical takes.

Not theatrical or nonsensical Rittenhouse and Zimmerman are examples of what she was describing.

Of course they're not going to be exact circumstances but there are lots of similarities: the right elevating dudes who killed people deemed as political enemies but claiming self-defense. Two of them protesting on behalf of progressive causes (unquestionably political enemies) and one was just a young black guy (common target of right wingers).

Rittenhouse is a minor celebrity among the right and Zimmerman also had his day in the sun, though has kinda disappeared in the last few years.

 

[Deaths Head]

oh yeah everything just gets worse and more corrupt under trump because.... reasons

Can you name one thing he improved ?

 

[Other]

He initiates contact with the car with his arms and is pushed away when she starts accelerating away from the officers.

It's also possible she was focused on the agent at her window and didn't see the one in front of her.