Crime Woman in Minneapolis Executed by ICE Officers; White House Reflexively Hand Waves Murder

Roids said:
It's literally the worst unclear video of the incident. There is no way to tell if the officer was hit there. Your mind is playing tricks on you because you want him to be hit, not that it would even justify execution. There needs to be objective fear of SERIOUS injury to justify lethal force. A car grazing you at low speed does not qualify.
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I'd say the guy was an absolute pussy, but I don't think so.

He's just a murderer.

He wasn't scared, didn't react out of fear, just wanted to kill someone.

Now his dreams have come true because he's a hero that the government immediately went to bat for.

Absolutely unreal.
 
Mr Holmes said:
Yeah, ares lost his mind over that because it was in his own home city. He was one of the biggest supporters of the BLM riots.
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OK, I support legal protests not riots just to be clear, but I'm pretty sure what those truckers did was illegal but the government took their trucks or gave them stiff fines that weren't deemed legal. So those truckers were more like the people rioting than the protesters that were behaving legally. If he was advocating for the truckers to suffer physical harm then that would be unacceptable.
 
eddymotto said:
I have been consistently on record as against the Chinese Communist Party, and communism in general.
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That's good. Now please think about how that applies to the comment you made about the state having the monopoly on violence.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
It's heavy handed and stupid. There was no need for that lady to die. Maybe she was stupid but people panic in those situations. Shooting her is the kind of action I'd expect police in a banana republic to take.
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Again, she put herself in that situation. You don't get to blame "panic" when every step of the incident, right up to the actual shooting, was preventable - by you!

If someone's messing around on the edge of a cliff and falls off, there was no need for them to die either. But it happened because of their choices and their actions. And, right up until they're off the cliff and in the air (just like right up until the point that the gun was fired), they had countless chances to prevent their own death. And they choice not to take them.

I don't think the shooting was justified in any way. Things would have been far better if it didn't happen. But I do think the woman brought it on herself, and it's hardly an "execution" like TS claims - just two stupid people, one of whom had a gun.
 
Siver! said:
I'd say the guy was an absolute pussy, but I don't think so.

He's just a murderer.

He wasn't scared, didn't react out of fear, just wanted to kill someone.

Now his dreams have come true because he's a hero that the government immediately went to bat for.

Absolutely unreal.
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IDK about all that. I think internal investigation is going to show these guys basically have zero fucking training before being sent out in military equipment to yank people off the streets. People don't understand just how big Trump exploded ICE's budget.
 
LangfordBarrow said:
OK, I support legal protests not riots just to be clear, but I'm pretty sure what those truckers did was illegal but the government took their trucks or gave them stiff fines that weren't deemed legal. So those truckers were more like the people rioting than the protesters that were behaving legally. If he was advocating for the truckers to suffer physical harm then that would be unacceptable.
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They used their emergency powers act to freeze people's bank accounts. And not just people in the trucks blocking the bridges. People just doing regular protesting had their accounts locked. The courts later determined what they did wasn't acceptable.
 
Gamer2k4 said:
Again, she put herself in that situation. You don't get to blame "panic" when every step of the incident, right up to the actual shooting, was preventable - by you!

If someone's messing around on the edge of a cliff and falls off, there was no need for them to die either. But it happened because of their choices and their actions. And, right up until they're off the cliff and in the air (just like right up until the point that the gun was fired), they had countless chances to prevent their own death. And they choice not to take them.

I don't think the shooting was justified in any way. Things would have been far better if it didn't happen. But I do think the woman brought it on herself, and it's hardly an "execution" like TS claims - just two stupid people, one of whom had a gun.
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How can it not be an execution?

It was a bullet shot from point blank range into the head of someone trying to get away.
 
MTT said:
There is ongoing attempts to transition to "Move, Don't Shoot" policy. If you've watched many police encounter videos you'll find officers cleared for less than what this video captured. It's possible to understand why officers should be justified in lethal force in this situation but also believe it's piss poor practice. The recent Supreme Court decision in Barnes v. Felix should accelerate the shift toward better policy, though old habits die hard.
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From my perspective, this was both unjustified and bad practice. I've seen officers get away with similar and also thought it was wrong. We'll see how this goes.

Changes to policy definitely need to happen. Hopefully sooner rather than later
 
Gamer2k4 said:
Again, she put herself in that situation. You don't get to blame "panic" when every step of the incident, right up to the actual shooting, was preventable - by you!

If someone's messing around on the edge of a cliff and falls off, there was no need for them to die either. But it happened because of their choices and their actions. And, right up until they're off the cliff and in the air (just like right up until the point that the gun was fired), they had countless chances to prevent their own death. And they choice not to take them.

I don't think the shooting was justified in any way. Things would have been far better if it didn't happen. But I do think the woman brought it on herself, and it's hardly an "execution" like TS claims - just two stupid people, one of whom had a gun.
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She put herself in the situation but it's not the same as falling off a cliff. Maybe if someone thought she was hanging around the edge of the cliff for too long and pushed her off then I could see the comparison.

Lots of people put themselves in bad situations but it's the job of law enforcement officers to be able to react calmly in these situations so that people don't needlessly die.
 
UberHere said:
Obstructing justice and hindering an investigation.
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You are just making shit up, you have no idea in reality.

You must have missed where Noami is on record stating the agents were done for the day and heading home before their truck got stuck, when this happened, didnn't you?
 
b34stmode said:
She assaulted someone with a deadly weapon before the video started? What law did she break, that made it legal for the officer to actively attempt to yank her keys out?

Also what LEO has ever told someone "get out the fuckin car!" ? You are likely to get shot by LEO if you do that btw.
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She was blocking them while they were trying to push their vehicle out where it was stuck.

According to what I'm hearing they got stuck on snow or ice and got out to push it. She and other has been following and harassing them all day. When they got out to push their vehicle she drove up on them to prevent them from pushing it out. Thats why they ordered her out then the rest happened.

Now all this is just what you hear from ICE and the government. There is going to be a full investigation as there should be.
 
Seano said:
I literally said I wasn't sure what led up to this interaction. Forgive me for not jumping to an emotional conclusion.
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Saying that getting shot is what killed her is an emotional conclusion? Lol I didn't realize common sense was emotional
 
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