Crime Woman in Minneapolis Executed by ICE Officers; White House Reflexively Hand Waves Murder

[IanMoone]

the officer drew his weapon when the driver began reversing the car. He fired and sidestepped to avoid being run over when she began moving forward. The next two shots could be deemed unnecessary but I don’t think that’s relevant.

In hindsight, with video, it was an unnecessary waste of life.

In the moment it’s a split second call. The officer got it wrong for the same reason refs get it wrong. Shit happens.

It’s an individual’s responsibility to not do stupid shit. Play silly games, win silly prizes.

Out of interest, is it SOP for officers to stand in front of vehicles they are concerned are going to make a run for it?

 

[Satanical Eve]

I don't know if you're just being sarcastic but if not you should seek help. I know you don't want to hear it but the first step to recovery is acknowledging that you have a problem.

They are basically me online when I was a teenager being an edge lord to piss others off thinking it was funny

 

[Darkballs]

Quote my words when I've backtracked.

First you said:

She didn't have to press on the gas with an officer directly in front of the vehicle. She did.

That last bit gave the officer reason to assume his life was threatened, and he used his gun to remove the threat to his life.

Then when you were told the video clearly showed the officer next to the driver side door, you changed your narrative to this:

She wasn't complying with orders and then hit him the officer with her vehicle, and her tires were spinning because of the ice.

That's you backtracking when caught in a lie.

You also refused to address trump lying about the shooter being hospitalized and lucky to be alive. Just in case you needed another example of your lack of integrity.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

You try to run over someone with a gun in their hands? ...gee, I wonder how that's going to end

Answer this question honestly please. If she was trying to run him over why would she cut the wheel all the way to the right? Seems like she would have steered into him while accelerating at full speed if that was her intent.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

First you said:

I stand by that because it's true.

Then when you were told the video clearly showed the officer next to the driver side door, you changed your narrative to this:

Incorrect.
I saw all three angles of the incident before posting in this thread.

There was an officer to the vehicle's left, next to the driver door, and an officer directly in front of the vehicle.

I never backtracked.
I never contradicted.
You're trying to claim I did because you know you're wrong and your side has lost.

That's you backtracking when caught in a lie.

You also refused to address trump lying about the shooter being hospitalized and lucky to be alive. Just in case you needed another example of your lack of integrity.

I haven't mentioned Trump in this thread.
Was he there?
I'm only addressing the incident itself and you're trying to deflect to Orange Man Bad.

This is been a cute discussion about how you leftists are wrong, again, so tag me when the officer is charged and the case goes through a grand jury.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

One thing I haven't seen addressed.........
Let's assume he didn't pull his gun out. What would have happened? He'd have the exact same whatever minor injuries he got and she would most likely have been pulled over and arrested down the road. So what did pulling a gun and shooting her really do?
Idk I'd get out of the way before pulling a gun in that situation

Look at how these guys are armed and what they're tasked with doing. I still don't know what qualifications this guy has but you'd hope these people are held to a high standard if they're making contact with legal citizens.

 

[shunyata]

He did get out the way, totally unscathed.

AND pulled out his gun and murdered her.

"Comply or die".

And then they sent his healthy ass to the hospital for cover.

Straight up murder and telling people not to believe their lying eyes.

 

[Darkballs]

There was an officer to the vehicle's left, next to the driver door, and an officer directly in front of the vehicle.

Nope. The firing officer was not directly in front, and the vehicle missed him completely. He was in no danger of getting hit.

Everyone can just watch the video and decide for themselves if they think this was legit. It was fucking amatuer hour. You had one ICE agent waiving the vehicle through, one agent who just ran up on the door and started trying to open it without warning, and then you have the shooter who never got struck firing three shots.

I haven't mentioned Trump in this thread.
Was he there?
I'm only addressing the incident itself and you're trying to deflect to Orange Man Bad.

I brought up trump because he was caught lying about what happened by claiming the officer was hospitalized and barely survived. It was to show the room that you lacked the integrity to defend the truth. You didn't disappoint.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

the officer drew his weapon when the driver began reversing the car. He fired and sidestepped to avoid being run over when she began moving forward. The next two shots could be deemed unnecessary but I don’t think that’s relevant.

In hindsight, with video, it was an unnecessary waste of life.

In the moment it’s a split second call. The officer got it wrong for the same reason refs get it wrong. Shit happens.

It’s an individual’s responsibility to not do stupid shit. Play silly games, win silly prizes.

Out of interest, is it SOP for officers to stand in front of vehicles they are concerned are going to make a run for it?

Shit happens but when it results in someone dying there might be criminal liability. I don't know what they're taught, or even what training this guy has received, but if he had time to shoot first he had time to move first. There was no need to escalate to deadly force against someone for the crime of blocking traffic.

 

[IanMoone]

Shit happens but when it results in someone dying there might be criminal liability. I don't know what they're taught, or even what training this guy has received, but if he had time to shoot first he had time to move first. There was no need to escalate to deadly force against someone for the crime of blocking traffic.

But it’s not about the crime the person was or wasn’t committing. The officer began drawing his gun when the car started reversing. He fired when the car moved forward aggressively. I think that’ll be the backbone of the defence.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Reminds me of the Daniel Shavers shooting in 2017. Pigs of all stripes, be they city or feds, love to give conflicting orders to provide themselves with justification for murder. ACAB now, ACAB 10 years ago, ACAB 10 years from now, ACAB forever.

this, exactly.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

But it’s not about the crime the person was or wasn’t committing. The officer began drawing his gun when the car started reversing. He fired when the car moved forward aggressively. I think that’ll be the backbone of the defence.

Sure and the prosecutors are going to ask why he drew his gun in anticipation of shooting a fleeing suspect when he had ample time to move out of the way.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

This reminds me of the conservative MAGA woman Ashli Babbitt who was trying to breach a room in the US Capitol to hang the VP or whatever and was shot in the head through the door by the Secret Service. Somehow Trump administration determined she was a patriot and paid her family 5 million. Here you have a situation where ICE agents are attempting to detain a US citizen, she flees in a fairly reckless manner and he shoots her even when he should/could have chosen not to (because from one angle it appears he was to the side of the car) .

I saw the video and it's a toss up. You can make any narrative you want. Is she a danger to the public ? Is she a wanted violent fugitive? For example US Marshalls have much lesser standards to meet for using deadly force. What are the use of force standards for ICE?

Many departments specifically have it in their general orders not to place oneself in the path of a fleeing vehicle as a pretext to later claim self defense for shooting at it.

He'll likely get off but this was unnecessary and egregious. Resisting arrest is not a carte blanche to use deadly force. You can make any narrative with the car being a deadly weapon but did she strike the officer? He certainly didn't fall to the ground. Contempt of cop is also not a lethal force justification.

For all the talk of US citizens needing second amendment to rise up against a tyrannical government I don't see it ever happening. The average person, is a giant coward. Neither conservatives nor liberals could find their proverbial dick in the dark when it comes to this ....you have masked unmarked/unidentified government agents kidnapping people from the streets rightly and wrongly and no one is doing jack shit. The imaginary cosplay from the right and left is a bit amusing to me.



This is the video I watched though I am sure others have posted other versions or angles.

 

[lsa]

Look at how these guys are armed and what they're tasked with doing. I still don't know what qualifications this guy has but you'd hope these people are held to a high standard if they're making contact with legal citizens.

Well......

"ICE lays out strategy for recruitment ads targeting NASCAR, UFC fans"

ICE lays out strategy for recruitment ads targeting NASCAR, UFC fans

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials are planning to spend $100M over a one-year period on ads targeting people who have attended UFC fights or NASCAR races.

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Nope. The firing officer was not directly in front, and the vehicle missed him completely. He was in no danger of getting hit.

Stop lying.
The officer shot once while in front of the vehicle. The bullet went through the windshield and into her head.

The 2nd shot from the side of the vehicle is irrelevant. No reports it hit her and the 1st obviously was the kill shot.

I brought up trump ...

...to deflect.
He's irrelevant to the incident itself, which I'm exclusively discussing.

 

[Prefect]

Some of you are insane. The gun never should have been drawn as the situation never escalated or gave indication that the victim was intent on causing the ICE workers bodily harm. Intent, not accidental. You can't just use the threat of death for as some method to prevent non-compliance. If any of you met the victim, I very much doubt that you would walk away thinking "this person is capable of cold blooded murder" as ICE apparantly did. Even though, she waved the officers through and had to deal with one racing up to her car and trying to open the door. The whole situation was unessisarily chaotic and void of good judgement.

 

[MMA IAN]

Yeah, because I was defending my neighbours and my neighbourhood.

It's not my fault you had no fucking clue what was going on here.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

the officer drew his weapon when the driver began reversing the car. He fired and sidestepped to avoid being run over when she began moving forward. The next two shots could be deemed unnecessary but I don’t think that’s relevant.

In hindsight, with video, it was an unnecessary waste of life.

In the moment it’s a split second call. The officer got it wrong for the same reason refs get it wrong. Shit happens.

It’s an individual’s responsibility to not do stupid shit. Play silly games, win silly prizes.

Out of interest, is it SOP for officers to stand in front of vehicles they are concerned are going to make a run for it?

I can make a couple general points due to my municipal/county policing experience and that's the average federal police officer or agent receives on average far less training than the average city cop or sheriff deputy. For example in my state POST requires a minimum of 664 hours of training and my department forced us to do nearly 8 months worth plus an additional four months of on the street training.

Federal training is 12-20 weeks depending on the specific agency(e.g. FBI, US Marshalls, Ice, etc). I quickly looked up training for ICE and it's 13 weeks. They do 12 weeks of standard FLETC training and an extra week of whatever else. To put this in perspective this is nearly 1/3 of the training I had to do a couple decades ago. If I heard correctly my old department tacked on a couple additional weeks on top of that.

Many municipal departments, including the one I worked in had it explicitly stated in the general orders that officers were not to place themselves in the way of fleeing vehicles as a pretext for self defense to use lethal force. Federal agents likely have much looser standards and only have to abide by the case law like Graham v Connor and Tennessee v Garner. I believe there are a couple newer cases (Barnes v Felix) that just recently came through. Here the SCOTUS found even the officer jumping in front of the car to prevent it from escaping, ie intentionally placing himself in harm's way, was still justified use of lethal force.

Supreme Court Rejects "Moment of Threat" Doctrine in Deadly Shooting Case

Yesterday, the Supreme Court decided Barnes v. Felix, an important Fourth Amendment case for law enforcement involving the Fifth Circuit’s “moment of threat” doctrine, which only analyzes the reasonableness of the use of force at the moment the officer deploys deadly force.

imla.org

I personally disagree with such an approach but if we're talking about pure legality chances are the ICE agent was fully protected in his use of force.

 

[Roids]

Stop lying.
The officer shot once while in front of the vehicle. The bullet went through the windshield and into her head.

The 2nd shot from the side of the vehicle is irrelevant. No reports it hit her and the 1st obviously was the kill shot.

...to deflect.
He's irrelevant to the incident itself, which I'm exclusively discussing.

Do you think its physically possible to make that shot while not standing in front of the vehicle? Think carefully before you respond with something stupid.

 

[IanMoone]

Nope. The firing officer was not directly in front, and the vehicle missed him completely. He was in no danger of getting hit.

Everyone can just watch the video and decide for themselves if they think this was legit. It was fucking amatuer hour. You had one ICE agent waiving the vehicle through, one agent who just ran up on the door and started trying to open it without warning, and then you have the shooter who never got struck firing three shots.

No idea how to post images. First link is a still from the video while the vehicle is reversing clearly showing the officer in front of the vehicle.

Second link shows the officer in front of the vehicle in firing position while the car is accelerating toward him.

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