Elections Wisconsin Supreme Court Election

AmonTobin said:
Are you familiar with all the pros and cons of stricter voter id?
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:rolleyes:

There's a reason the vast majority of the developed and even most of the undeveloped world require it. It's only America that racistly infantilises people to the extent of saying they can't get themselves an ID.
 
MMA IAN said:
:rolleyes:

There's a reason the vast majority of the developed and even most of the undeveloped world require it. It's only America that racistly infantilises people to the extent of saying they can't get themselves an ID.
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What's So Bad About Voter ID Laws?​

"In combination with the ineffectiveness of voter photo ID laws at preventing the rare instances of voter fraud, the more likely results of voter photo ID laws are voter suppression and reduced turnout among vulnerable populations." ​

Voter Photo ID Laws Won’t Prevent Voter Fraud​

"The issue with this argument is that time and time again, voter photo ID laws are proven to be ineffective tools to fight voter fraud — in the rare instances it does take place. While voter photo ID laws aim to prevent in-person voter impersonation, an almost non-existent form of voter fraud, other types of voter impersonation are similarly rare and not cause for significant concern. According to the Brennan Center, the rate of in-person voter impersonation is extremely low: only 0.00004% of all ballots cast. It’s worth noting that this rate is even significantly lower than other rare forms of voter fraud, such as absentee ballot fraud, which voter photo ID laws do not address."

ID Laws as Voter Suppression​

Not only are voter photo ID laws ineffective as means of combating voter fraud, but their main impact is that they promote voter suppression.

The use of restrictive voting laws to disenfranchise minority voters can be traced back to the Jim Crow era, when many states employed various tactics — including literacy tests, poll taxes, and extralegal measures such as violence and intimidation — to prevent Black Americans from voting. Following the enactment of the Voting Rights Act (VRA) in 1965, many of these tactics were outlawed, but efforts to restrict voting access persisted, including implementing voter ID laws.

Restrictive voting measures are designed to maintain the power structures that benefit those in control — largely white legislators — and their legacy is still felt today.

The negative impact of strict voter ID laws is not limited to Black Americans; other marginalized populations also face disproportionate barriers to voting because of these laws. Native American communities, low-income, elderly, and rural voters are disproportionately affected by voter photo ID laws.

This is partially because photo IDs aren’t as common as many people assume: 18% of all citizens over the age of 65, 16% of Latino voters, 25% of Black voters, and 15% of low-income Americans lack acceptable photo ID. Elderly and low-income voters may not have the availability, financial resources, or mobility to obtain the necessary identification, and rural voters may face significant barriers to obtaining the necessary documentation due to their geographic isolation.

https://www.lwv.org/blog/whats-so-bad-about-voter-id-laws
 
MMA IAN said:
:rolleyes:

There's a reason the vast majority of the developed and even most of the undeveloped world require it. It's only America that racistly infantilises people to the extent of saying they can't get themselves an ID.
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You would think if a large segment of the population truly had difficulty obtaining valid identification..then democrats, just once, would offer legislation with the intent purpose of making sure every citizen can have a valid ID pretty much hand delivered to them. After all, they’ve offered programs to make sure everybody is automatically registered. But nothing to make sure everybody is properly identified as eligible.

Because that seems like an issue if a lot of citizens can’t meaningfully identify themselves. Not just for voting. Identification is needed for almost every facet. So essential that we give them to illegals so they can do just the various everyday things that require ID. Yet democrats don’t want solutions to this problem of their prospective voters not being able to obtain identification?


But they never have. Because it’s bullshit. They know there really isn’t citizens who have trouble acquiring ID. Those that don’t carry valid ID don’t because they don’t want to and if they don’t want to do that..then they don’t want to vote.
 
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AmonTobin said:

​

What's So Bad About Voter ID Laws?​

"In combination with the ineffectiveness of voter photo ID laws at preventing the rare instances of voter fraud, the more likely results of voter photo ID laws are voter suppression and reduced turnout among vulnerable populations." ​

Voter Photo ID Laws Won’t Prevent Voter Fraud​

"The issue with this argument is that time and time again, voter photo ID laws are proven to be ineffective tools to fight voter fraud — in the rare instances it does take place. While voter photo ID laws aim to prevent in-person voter impersonation, an almost non-existent form of voter fraud, other types of voter impersonation are similarly rare and not cause for significant concern. According to the Brennan Center, the rate of in-person voter impersonation is extremely low: only 0.00004% of all ballots cast. It’s worth noting that this rate is even significantly lower than other rare forms of voter fraud, such as absentee ballot fraud, which voter photo ID laws do not address."

ID Laws as Voter Suppression​

Not only are voter photo ID laws ineffective as means of combating voter fraud, but their main impact is that they promote voter suppression.

The use of restrictive voting laws to disenfranchise minority voters can be traced back to the Jim Crow era, when many states employed various tactics — including literacy tests, poll taxes, and extralegal measures such as violence and intimidation — to prevent Black Americans from voting. Following the enactment of the Voting Rights Act (VRA) in 1965, many of these tactics were outlawed, but efforts to restrict voting access persisted, including implementing voter ID laws.

Restrictive voting measures are designed to maintain the power structures that benefit those in control — largely white legislators — and their legacy is still felt today.

The negative impact of strict voter ID laws is not limited to Black Americans; other marginalized populations also face disproportionate barriers to voting because of these laws. Native American communities, low-income, elderly, and rural voters are disproportionately affected by voter photo ID laws.

This is partially because photo IDs aren’t as common as many people assume: 18% of all citizens over the age of 65, 16% of Latino voters, 25% of Black voters, and 15% of low-income Americans lack acceptable photo ID. Elderly and low-income voters may not have the availability, financial resources, or mobility to obtain the necessary identification, and rural voters may face significant barriers to obtaining the necessary documentation due to their geographic isolation.

https://www.lwv.org/blog/whats-so-bad-about-voter-id-laws
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:rolleyes:
 
What a waste of money. These fucks that have it throw it away and mock those of us who don’t have it
 
Rational Poster said:
No one says that.
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Bullshit. “It will disenfranchise millions of voters” claims the left because some people are too stupid to get id. Its “too much of a hardship” to minorities. But require some of those same people to get id to get their welfare checks or alcohol and suddenly, they can get id. How do you not have identification these days? No drivers license? No simple id card? I never have to produce id when I vote and I told the lady in November it was disappointing that they don’t check that you are who you say you are.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/how-voter-id-laws-discriminate-study/517218/

Turns out, it doesn’t stop people from voting

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/15/14909764/study-voter-id-racism
 
nhbbear said:
Bullshit. “It will disenfranchise millions of voters” claims the left because some people are too stupid to get id. Its “too much of a hardship” but require those same people to get id to get their welfare checks or alcohol and suddenly, they can get id. How do you not have identification these days? No drivers license? No simple id card? I never have to produce id when I vote and I told the lady in November it was disappointing that they don’t check that you are who you say you are.
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Well, because it does when you change the rules right before a major national election which is always the case. It also disenfranchises voters when you try to make the changes right before an election while deliberately targeting DMV for closure in democrat areas.

There is no election now, Republicans control all of Congress and many state governments.

Where are the voter ID laws now? If there is going to be such a requirement, why not have them issued cost free by the state?

IDs are not free, if you want voter ID laws, make them free. If you care about Democracy, make elections holidays.

Until then, you know, just fuck off with this nonsense. It's boring.
 
Rational Poster said:
Well, because it does when you change the rules right before a major national election which is always the case. It also disenfranchises voters when you try to make the changes right before an election while deliberately targeting DMV for closure in democrat areas.

There is no election now, Republicans control all of Congress and many state governments.

Where are the voter ID laws now? If there is going to be such a requirement, why not have them issued cost free by the state?

IDs are not free, if you want voter ID laws, make them free. If you care about Democracy, make elections holidays.

Until then, you know, just fuck off with this nonsense. It's boring.
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Ok bud. Don’t cry when voter id laws start coming around, especially with millions of illegals that the left wants to vote for them. I hate the right as well and both sides suck fat cocks.
 
Siver! said:
It's taxpayer money really.
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How so? While billionaires are shitbags, they are throwing their own money around. Neither side wants restrictions on how much money can be spent because they both benefit from having the ability to dump unlimited funds into any election. Both soros and musk are corrupt turds that try to influence elections
 
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