Will Wilder bounce back from this loss?

Joshua is easier to get to than Fury but its not like hes just some crude sluggish brawler, hes the 2nd or 3rd most skilled boxer Wilder will have ever faced in addition to probably being the biggest puncher. AJ is likely to be in control for the majority of the fight while it lasts, and thats one fight that Wilder absolutely cannot afford to wait around getting outboxed in, but on the other hand if he tries to force things and gets sloppy he'll be one left hook away from being in deep shit.
AJ is better at fighting on the inside than fury in my opinion, they wouldn't need to throw in the towel because with AJ shots wilder will be asleep, he clearly cant take a punch, when was the last time there was a knock down from a body shot at HW.
 
Wilder is 34 years old. Even if he comes back the same he's not going to get any better at this point. His own trainers (Deas & Breland) already know this, they've talked about it publicly, so instead they've focused all their efforts solely on working with him to land his right hand as a one-hitter-quitter.

When he comes back his opponents will now be looking to get the jump on him early to unsettle him with intelligent pressure. They'll all be stepping to him right off the bat and incorporating parts of Fury's gameplan to push him back and make it rough when they get in on him. Like another poster said in AJ's case he doesn't need to grind him down, he'll just unload. If Wilder can't catch him cold from the get go then AJ will stop him in short order.
 
I think he’ll be back. Tyson Fury has his number. Andy Ruiz can probably beat Wilder too. Usyk is a 50/50 fight. Joshua 50/50 fight. Anyone else I think Wilder still beats pretty soundly. Just my opinion of course. This sport is too damn unpredictable lol. His next fight should def be a tune up to get his groove back. I’m still a fan. Still one of my favorite fighters and will be rooting for him

Ruiz and Usyk don't have the length to get to wilder. Fury exposed a big hole in his game, but only when fighting guys as big or bigger. Wilder likes to tuck his chin and post his left hand to defend, which works find against shorter guys but a taller guy like fury can simply throw a loopy right hand over it and club him on the side/back of the head. Fury did this all night, Ruiz and Usyk wouldn't be able to duplicate this.
 
He can but not if it's against Fury.

Tbh after the beating he took I wouldn't be surprised if he lost a warm up fight, if he has one.
 
Wilder is 34 years old. Even if he comes back the same he's not going to get any better at this point. His own trainers (Deas & Breland) already know this, they've talked about it publicly, so instead they've focused all their efforts solely on working with him to land his right hand as a one-hitter-quitter.

When he comes back his opponents will now be looking to get the jump on him early to unsettle him with intelligent pressure. They'll all be stepping to him right off the bat and incorporating parts of Fury's gameplan to push him back and make it rough when they get in on him. Like another poster said in AJ's case he doesn't need to grind him down, he'll just unload. If Wilder can't catch him cold from the get go then AJ will stop him in short order.
He may not come back better than before but it remains to be seen if he just had an especially bad night. Thats not taking away from Fury but we know Wilder can be more competitive than he was saturday. We can play dumb on that if we want but a guy can obviously better his worst performance.
 
I think he’ll be back. Tyson Fury has his number. Andy Ruiz can probably beat Wilder too. Usyk is a 50/50 fight. Joshua 50/50 fight. Anyone else I think Wilder still beats pretty soundly. Just my opinion of course. This sport is too damn unpredictable lol. His next fight should def be a tune up to get his groove back. I’m still a fan. Still one of my favorite fighters and will be rooting for him

I agree pretty much 100% with you there.
I’ll throw Joseph Parker in there as well, he can also give wilder some problems as he isn’t going to fall over when he’s hit. In fact wilder is vulnerable to the same bunch of guys that Joshua is. It’s difficult seeing anyone currently outside that group that can beat either
Fury is horrible for everyone
 
He may not come back better than before but it remains to be seen if he just had an especially bad night. Thats not taking away from Fury but we know Wilder can be more competitive than he was saturday. We can play dumb on that if we want but a guy can obviously better his worst performance.
His worst performance was also because of who he had in front of him. Fury asked questions of him and Wilder didn't have any answers for his intelligent pressure that put him on his heels or his rough in-fighting. It's too late in the game for Wilder to significantly improve his game and fill those holes. He didn't just turn pro and he's only getting older.
 
I agree pretty much 100% with you there.
I’ll throw Joseph Parker in there as well, he can also give wilder some problems as he isn’t going to fall over when he’s hit. In fact wilder is vulnerable to the same bunch of guys that Joshua is. It’s difficult seeing anyone currently outside that group that can beat either
Fury is horrible for everyone
I still dont see Parker Ruiz Ortiz or Whyte on Wilder's level. However, I kind of like how hes in a position to fight those guys to maybe prove that.

Yeah Fury is an experience stylistic and size matchup for everyone in the division.
I would be super impressed if AJ even made the fight competitive
 
His worst performance was also because of who he had in front of him. Fury asked questions of him and Wilder didn't have any answers for his intelligent pressure that put him on his heels or his rough in-fighting. It's too late in the game for Wilder to significantly improve his game and fill those holes. He didn't just turn pro and he's only getting older.
I agree mostly but that doesn't mean he can't do better. People wanted to write Joshua off too. Just saying, I'd like to see if it was the same deal as Joshua, where he got clipped and couldn't recover. He never seemed right after that first KD and it seemed to take a lot more out of him than you'd expect a shot like that to do to someone. We've seen him clipped a few times as a pro but none of those times knocked him retarded like that shot did last saturday.
 
I agree mostly but that doesn't mean he can't do better. People wanted to write Joshua off too. Just saying, I'd like to see if it was the same deal as Joshua, where he got clipped and couldn't recover. He never seemed right after that first KD and it seemed to take a lot more out of him than you'd expect a shot like that to do to someone. We've seen him clipped a few times as a pro but none of those times knocked him retarded like that shot did last saturday.
Wilder can improve on that particular performance but it isn't hard to do that when you didn't do anything noteworthy. He got ran over. And what Joshua did to Ruiz in the rematch was only possible because of his existing versatility using the tools that he already had in his toolbox. Wilder isn't in that conversation, he's a pure puncher, a one-dimensional fighter that's a specialist.
 
Wilder can improve on that particular performance but it isn't hard to do that when you didn't do anything noteworthy. He got ran over. And what Joshua did to Ruiz in the rematch was only possible because of his existing versatility using the tools that he already had in his toolbox. Wilder isn't in that conversation, he's a pure puncher, a one-dimensional fighter that's a specialist.
I agree with the first sentence but for me, thats why I want to see them run it back.
I believe Wilder is a bit better than you're giving him credit for though.
 
I still dont see Parker Ruiz Ortiz or Whyte on Wilder's level. However, I kind of like how hes in a position to fight those guys to maybe prove that.

Yeah Fury is an experience stylistic and size matchup for everyone in the division.
I would be super impressed if AJ even made the fight competitive
I don't think Wilder will take any of those fights next tbh. Are Wilder's management really gonna risk him losing to anyone who doesn't have a title?
 
I agree with the first sentence but for me, thats why I want to see them run it back.
I believe Wilder is a bit better than you're giving him credit for though.
The one-dimensional comment I made (despite acknowledging it also makes him a specialist)? It's the truth. His own trainers have basically said the same. That's why they only work with him on finding ways to land his right hand. I'm not dissing the guy I'm keeping it real and there's absolutely a difference.
 
Still lots of fun fights for wilder ..... hope he does well
 
I don't think Wilder will take any of those fights next tbh. Are Wilder's management really gonna risk him losing to anyone who doesn't have a title?
It all depends on if team Fury is willing to oblige. Also, I still dont think I ever saw exactly the wording on the 3 fight deal.
I mean Wilder looked so outmatched against Fury I think it's far less risk to fight one of these smaller chubby shorter heavyweights.

Also, depends on Wilder's mindset. Being as dominant and as undefeated as he was this has to be a total mind fuck. He may not be the same mentally once the ego gets shattered like that.
 
I still dont see Parker Ruiz Ortiz or Whyte on Wilder's level. However, I kind of like how hes in a position to fight those guys to maybe prove that.

Yeah Fury is an experience stylistic and size matchup for everyone in the division.
I would be super impressed if AJ even made the fight competitive

a combination of small (relatively speaking), compact guys with quick hands, hard hitting with ridiculous chins is a potential problem for wilder just as it is Joshua. Wilders also leaves himself open when letting his hands go and these guys can punish him for it. Parker didn’t do himself credit against Joshua, way too negative. It would be a much tougher fight next time
I agree with Whyte, but he has a punchers chance. He hits fckin hard and also has a good jab and solid chin. My money would definitely be in wilder against Whyte, possibly Parker. I agree with the other poster, I’d have Joshua a pure coin flip and Ruiz I’d possibly favour if he really took the fight seriously
 
Wilder shuld Change Coach, Trainer everything ...

but hes too loyal.

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Some have been arguing he has overachieved based on his big holes. Everybody thought he would get exposed or get caught years ago before he even got a title shot. They have done pretty well by him.
Also, I'm sure they are not coaching him to keep his hands down the whole time and to back straight away.
 
never can tell but he's already too limited and 34 years old, without the mental edge of people knowing he kayoed everyone, people might not be as respectful in the ring and try to take him out.
 
Some have been arguing he has overachieved based on his big holes. Everybody thought he would get exposed or get caught years ago before he even got a title shot. They have done pretty well by him.
Also, I'm sure they are not coaching him to keep his hands down the whole time and to back straight away.
mark breland has a good history of boxing in his head but for whatever reason, he's not getting it to wilder. don't know what's going on there, mark is a softspoken, low key guy so that may be part of it.
 
I'd strongly advise Wilder to take a pass on the immediate rematch. He needs to get a new trainer... ONE trainer, a world class trainer and give himself 6-12 months to recuperate and evolve a bit as a boxer before taking on Fury again (and even that doesn't guarantee that he'd win a third fight against Tyson).
If he accepts the immediate rematch he'll be fucked up again and possibly ruin his punch resistance, brand, or both. He has to have some faith in hmself and play the long game. Let Fury and Joshua beat each other up and be ready on the other side to fight the victor.
 
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