Why Trump is the candidate to fix trade

Rebuttal to what exactly? Of course they would like to join. Doesn't address what Trump said. If he answered how the agreement was designed for China to come in and take advantage of us, then there could be a debate. He gave nothing to back that up of course.

Show me where he clearly stated that isn't what he meant?

Seems that this logic should be cyclical. If I have to show that Trump meant that the deal was designed for China to come in later, then you should have to show that he didn't.

See what I mean about this being a strawman argument?
 
I want to discuss how being the Republican nomination and being for "fair trade", puts anyone in a unique position to effect said change, because the Republican president would have natural allies to effect this across the aisle.

Basically the topic is supposed to be, about how Trump bucking the party line here, creates opportunity for real change, due to his ability to shape Republican policy from the White House, and the natural alliance of the pro-labor Dems.

Thank you for actually asking, instead of building continuous strawman arguments, to derail.

Ok.... I still disagree. McConnell telling other GOP members thry are allowed to run anti trump ads shows exactly how much support he is going to get from the senate.
 
Here comes the strawman again. Nothing you said here is wrong. China is not apart of TPP today, but they could be in the future, and have indicated a potential want to be included.

You have yet to rebut this specific point.

You are correct though, you have rebutted this idea, just with crappy little strawman arguments.

Yes, they could be a part in the future, what does that has anything to do with anything?
 
I wonder what sort of ghastly tariff and tax cut combo we'd have to pull off in order to bring these good honest hardworking american sweatshops back within our borders.
 
Yes, they could be a part in the future, what does that has anything to do with anything?

That means that calling Trump an idiot for talking about China with TPP, actually makes you an idiot, or dishonest.
 
That means that calling Trump an idiot for talking about China with TPP, actually makes you an idiot, or dishonest.

No, since Trump is specifically saying that China is calling the shots TODAY, which is a lie.

Bravo man, grade A trolling you actually got me pissed and going and i know you are a troll job but im already in this war so im not budging, like the Americans in Afghanistan.
 
Ok.... I still disagree. McConnell telling other GOP members thry are allowed to run anti trump ads shows exactly how much support he is going to get from the senate.

You are talking about a Republican party that is still unified. Trump will be the end of the Evangelical, Chamber of Commerce, Conservative/Libertarian alliance.

It is in fact, another reason to vote for him.
 
No, since Trump is specifically saying that China is calling the shots TODAY, which is a lie.

Bravo man, grade A trolling you actually got me pissed and going and i know you are a troll job but im already in this war so im not budging, like the Americans in Afghanistan.

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I thought the problem was that Trump was an idiot for connecting China to TPP..........................
 
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I thought the problem was that Trump was an idiot for connecting China to TPP..........................

Yes, because any connection between China and the TPP at this point are hypothetical.
 
You are talking about a Republican party that is still unified. Trump will be the end of the Evangelical, Chamber of Commerce, Conservative/Libertarian alliance.

It is in fact, another reason to vote for him.

You think the republicans are going to win without the evangelicals or the chamber of commerce? Thats like half the voting base and the majority of campaign funds.

If Trump somehow wins, that does not mean that senators are suddenly going to start having independantly financed campaigns. Or that the bible belt will suddenly stop voting for evangelicals.
 
You think the republicans are going to win without the evangelicals or the chamber of commerce? Thats like half the voting base and the majority of campaign funds.

If Trump somehow wins, that does not mean that senators are suddenly going to start having independantly financed campaigns. Or that the bible belt will suddenly stop voting for evangelicals.

No, but what it means is that the RNC will be shattered, and as much as lobbying and campaign finance effects the outcomes of things, the reliance on the RNC/DNC for re-election is far more pressing.

BTW, I don't think most Republicans like the Republican party, and I am certainly not a Republican. I could care less how the GOP fairs.

Also for all the 3rd party people out there. The Republican party splitting is how we get a third party.
 
No, but what it means is that the RNC will be shattered, and as much as lobbying and campaign finance effects the outcomes of things, the reliance on the RNC/DNC for re-election is far more pressing.

BTW, I don't think most Republicans like the Republican party, and I am certainly not a Republican. I could care less how the GOP fairs.

Also for all the 3rd party people out there. The Republican party splitting is how we get a third party.

I dont see how this woukd help Trump pass trade bills. If anything it would make it easier for the democrats to obstruct him.

If there is a third party formed from the GOP, then the democrats win basically every congressional seat.
 
I dont see how this woukd help Trump pass trade bills. If anything it would make it easier for the democrats to obstruct him.

If there is a third party formed from the GOP, then the democrats win basically every congressional seat.

A fractured GOP where members re-election wasn't based on toeing the GOP line(AKA Chamber of Commerce's line), and half the opposition party being on board, I think does make it more possible to pass real reform.

Hell Trump might be able to get E-verify with teeth, and actually do something about immigration without building a wall, if he can cutoff the strangle hold the Chamber of Commerce has over the GOP.
 
That doesn't make Trump an idiot. That makes him guilty of speculation.

Actually it does makes him an idiot, since he is a presidental nominee and isnt bothering to research the facts.
 
I wonder what sort of ghastly tariff and tax cut combo we'd have to pull off in order to bring these good honest hardworking american sweatshops back within our borders.

So you're against bringing American jobs back? You're against having to pay a dollar more for that Made in China plastic crap at Wal-Mart?

Such short-term thinking. Is baby in a bad mood again?

Here's an article to keep this discussion interesting:

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/11/trump-was-right-about-tpp-benefitting-china/

Trump Was Right About TPP Benefiting China

"Donald Trump lambasted the Trans-Pacific Partnership at Tuesday night’s Republican presidential debate, contending that China would use it to “take advantage of everyone” — generating snickers from journalists and a withering refutation from Rand Paul, who said “we might want to point out that China is not part of this deal.”

But Trump never suggested that China was part of the TPP, only that the country would “come in, as they always do, through the back door” of the agreement. And he was right.

The TPP does indeed allow China and other non-members to reap benefits from the deal without having to abide by any of its terms.

Here’s how it works: TPP and other free trade deals allow signatories to exchange goods without tariffs. But we live in a complicated world, with source materials derived from one country often traveling through a supply chain to another and completed in a third before moving to a retail market.

To cope with this, TPP adds a “rule of origin” chapter to determine whether an amalgamated good qualifies for tariff-free status. This is particularly important in Southeast Asian nations like Vietnam or Malaysia, which get asignificant amount of production materials from China.

TPP says that all materials that go into a good, outside of a de minimis 10 percent, must derive from TPP countries. However, there are numerous exceptions and exemptions, along with a confusing set of calculations to determine eligibility. Through these cracks in the agreement, as Trump alluded, China can deliver goods to TPP countries without tariffs.

Right now, the U.S. reserves the right to slap large tariffs on China, as it has done on steel (up to 236 percent), solar panels (up to 78 percent) andtires (up to 88 percent). But under TPP, many products, from agriculture to chemicals to plastics to leather seating, can include up to 60 percent of material from a non-TPP country.

Each product has a specific rule of origin that sets the level of non-TPP material that can be incorporated in a good. The chapter designating which products require which percentages only lists numbers instead of product names, which have to be converted using the international Harmonized Schedule of tariffs.

Green tea, 0902.10 on the Harmonized Schedule, can have a “regional value content” — meaning content from TPP countries — of not less than 40 percent. But that doesn’t mean 40 percent of the content; it means 40 percent of the value of the material, which takes into account shipping, processing, and many other variables. While the final calculations must follow basic accounting principles, they will be by definition inexact, so even more than 60 percent of a good, in reality, could come out of a non-TPP member like China.

Weak rules of origin are most clearly seen in auto production, which has its own special “net cost” method of calculating rule of origin. As Teamsters President James Hoffa has pointed out, while under NAFTA 62.5 percent of a car had to be made in a member country, with TPP that number goes down to 45 percent. An additional schedule of other parts would be considered as coming from a TPP country regardless of its origins, lowering the rule of origin to as much as 35 percent. A car could even be labeled “Made in America,” despite having the majority of its partsoriginating from China. That includes Chinese steel, currently subject to massive tariffs for U.S. import.

Rules of origin for textiles are allegedly more stringent, but they include a“short supply” list, allowing TPP countries to get their materials from non-TPP nations if they are in short supply within the TPP zone. This includes nearly 200 different fabrics, even certain types of cottons, any of which could come from China and get preferential tariff treatment.

There are also loopholes available. Take for instance Article 3.6, “Materials Used in Production.” This says that, if non-originating material undergoes further production in an originating country, then that material would be treated as originating. So you can imagine a disassembled Chinese product, shipped to Vietnam, put on a production line for completion, and delivered tariff-free to the United States.

Importers and exporters make certifications for the rules of origin, and if they can source materials more cheaply from China or elsewhere, they have an incentive to fudge the numbers to maintain their supply chain. No certification is needed for shipments under $1,000, meaning any scheme to ship large quantities in small segments could slip past inspection.

TPP members can inspect goods, but it’s not as simple as looking at a shirt and divining what part of it came from a certain country; enforcement is difficult and expensive. Brunei, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru and Vietnam have five years to institute a certification system for rules of origin, giving time for importers to maintain their existing systems and figure out how to game TPP rules.

So China would not have to raise any standards or comply with any TPP rules, yet still be able to produce millions of auto parts and textiles for TPP countries at a lower cost, without the burden of tariffs. “This will undoubtedly hurt the competitiveness of American manufacturers, particularly the American auto industry,” said Rep. Dan Kildee (D-Michl.), an opponent of TPP.

While Trump’s bluster certainly could be mistaken for ignorance about TPP, in this case he’s right: China can get their goods to the U.S. and other countries through the back door, in a number of ways, and take advantage of TPP without being part of the agreement. Our trade deficit with China, which for the first 9 months of the year stood at $273 billion, would likely not appreciably change after the agreement, despite the additional trading partners."
 
You know what makes you an idiot? Your posts not making any sense.

Damn son, Trump would be proud, you can thank me for showing your natural candidate in the other thread.
 
Show me where he clearly stated that isn't what he meant?

Seems that this logic should be cyclical. If I have to show that Trump meant that the deal was designed for China to come in later, then you should have to show that he didn't.

See what I mean about this being a strawman argument?

It's hard to know what Trump means half the time. Once he was called out on it by Paul, he of course said he meant them joining later. If he did mean that, I would love to see the past examples of what he's talking about in relation to this deal.
 
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