Why Trump is the candidate to fix trade

It's hard to know what Trump means half the time. Once he was called out on it by Paul, he of course said he meant them joining later. If he did mean that, I would love to see the past examples of what he's talking about in relation to this deal.

This is one of the general problems that has led us to where we are today. If you can't answer in a 30 second sound bite, you are better off going with plausible deniability.

I don't claim to know Trump's mind here, but I'm pretty sure Trump didn't think China was apart of TPP, which is what about 5 different posters have argued here.
 
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This is one of the general problems that has led us to where we are today. If you can't answer in a 30 second sound bite, you are better off going with plausible deniability.

I don't claim to know Trump's mind here, but I'm pretty sure Trump didn't think China was apart of TPP, which is what about 5 different posters have argued here.

China and the TPP is just a small part of it though. It's just scratching the surface of his trade talk bravado (regardless of what he meant in this one small sound bite). And his sound bites work perfectly for him. He's talked for hours about trade, yet gives the same small sound bites for a reason. He's just not capable of going beyond it. Playing on people's fantasies and using hyperbole is what he does. He might call it "truthful hyperbole" in his book, but only a fool would buy it.
 
Why does he repeatedly say he supports free trade while advocating protectionism? I wonder what his definition of free trade is.
Because he supports actual free trade that benefits the people, not trade deals that are designed and written in such a way that benefits the corporations while screwing the
People and taking away our rights. I mean cmon the corporations themselves are writing these deals.
 
The fact of the matter is, that unless you support Ted Cruz, your candidate doesn't support TPP either.

Apparently Clinton is the real idiot. She worked on TPP for 5 years, and doesn't support it.

I mean, apparently you have a far better understanding than someone that worked on it for 5 years?

Walked right into that one didn't you?

But hilary does support it and always has. Bernie is the ONLY reason she has changed her tune on several issues. She had to in order to compete with him. She is a globalist through and through. Even many dems can see through her these days.
 
Because he supports actual free trade that benefits the people, not trade deals that are designed and written in such a way that benefits the corporations while screwing the
People and taking away our rights. I mean cmon the corporations themselves are writing these deals.
Free trade is free trade. How does it need to be written to help people but not corporations?
 
Trump only has money because he dad loaned him millions and the federal government bailed him out...

And you think he can run a country's economy?
 
So you're against bringing American jobs back? You're against having to pay a dollar more for that Made in China plastic crap at Wal-Mart?

Such short-term thinking. Is baby in a bad mood again?

Here's an article to keep this discussion interesting:

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/11/trump-was-right-about-tpp-benefitting-china/

Trump Was Right About TPP Benefiting China

"Donald Trump lambasted the Trans-Pacific Partnership at Tuesday night’s Republican presidential debate, contending that China would use it to “take advantage of everyone” — generating snickers from journalists and a withering refutation from Rand Paul, who said “we might want to point out that China is not part of this deal.”

But Trump never suggested that China was part of the TPP, only that the country would “come in, as they always do, through the back door” of the agreement. And he was right.

The TPP does indeed allow China and other non-members to reap benefits from the deal without having to abide by any of its terms.

Here’s how it works: TPP and other free trade deals allow signatories to exchange goods without tariffs. But we live in a complicated world, with source materials derived from one country often traveling through a supply chain to another and completed in a third before moving to a retail market.

To cope with this, TPP adds a “rule of origin” chapter to determine whether an amalgamated good qualifies for tariff-free status. This is particularly important in Southeast Asian nations like Vietnam or Malaysia, which get asignificant amount of production materials from China.

TPP says that all materials that go into a good, outside of a de minimis 10 percent, must derive from TPP countries. However, there are numerous exceptions and exemptions, along with a confusing set of calculations to determine eligibility. Through these cracks in the agreement, as Trump alluded, China can deliver goods to TPP countries without tariffs.

Right now, the U.S. reserves the right to slap large tariffs on China, as it has done on steel (up to 236 percent), solar panels (up to 78 percent) andtires (up to 88 percent). But under TPP, many products, from agriculture to chemicals to plastics to leather seating, can include up to 60 percent of material from a non-TPP country.

Each product has a specific rule of origin that sets the level of non-TPP material that can be incorporated in a good. The chapter designating which products require which percentages only lists numbers instead of product names, which have to be converted using the international Harmonized Schedule of tariffs.

Green tea, 0902.10 on the Harmonized Schedule, can have a “regional value content” — meaning content from TPP countries — of not less than 40 percent. But that doesn’t mean 40 percent of the content; it means 40 percent of the value of the material, which takes into account shipping, processing, and many other variables. While the final calculations must follow basic accounting principles, they will be by definition inexact, so even more than 60 percent of a good, in reality, could come out of a non-TPP member like China.

Weak rules of origin are most clearly seen in auto production, which has its own special “net cost” method of calculating rule of origin. As Teamsters President James Hoffa has pointed out, while under NAFTA 62.5 percent of a car had to be made in a member country, with TPP that number goes down to 45 percent. An additional schedule of other parts would be considered as coming from a TPP country regardless of its origins, lowering the rule of origin to as much as 35 percent. A car could even be labeled “Made in America,” despite having the majority of its partsoriginating from China. That includes Chinese steel, currently subject to massive tariffs for U.S. import.

Rules of origin for textiles are allegedly more stringent, but they include a“short supply” list, allowing TPP countries to get their materials from non-TPP nations if they are in short supply within the TPP zone. This includes nearly 200 different fabrics, even certain types of cottons, any of which could come from China and get preferential tariff treatment.

There are also loopholes available. Take for instance Article 3.6, “Materials Used in Production.” This says that, if non-originating material undergoes further production in an originating country, then that material would be treated as originating. So you can imagine a disassembled Chinese product, shipped to Vietnam, put on a production line for completion, and delivered tariff-free to the United States.

Importers and exporters make certifications for the rules of origin, and if they can source materials more cheaply from China or elsewhere, they have an incentive to fudge the numbers to maintain their supply chain. No certification is needed for shipments under $1,000, meaning any scheme to ship large quantities in small segments could slip past inspection.

TPP members can inspect goods, but it’s not as simple as looking at a shirt and divining what part of it came from a certain country; enforcement is difficult and expensive. Brunei, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru and Vietnam have five years to institute a certification system for rules of origin, giving time for importers to maintain their existing systems and figure out how to game TPP rules.

So China would not have to raise any standards or comply with any TPP rules, yet still be able to produce millions of auto parts and textiles for TPP countries at a lower cost, without the burden of tariffs. “This will undoubtedly hurt the competitiveness of American manufacturers, particularly the American auto industry,” said Rep. Dan Kildee (D-Michl.), an opponent of TPP.

While Trump’s bluster certainly could be mistaken for ignorance about TPP, in this case he’s right: China can get their goods to the U.S. and other countries through the back door, in a number of ways, and take advantage of TPP without being part of the agreement. Our trade deficit with China, which for the first 9 months of the year stood at $273 billion, would likely not appreciably change after the agreement, despite the additional trading partners."

This has literally been done forever, that doesnt means much though since raw materials are just a part of the cost of a product, and thats certainly beyond the scope of what Trump was thinking. Otherwise he would elaborate with more precision.
 
Because he supports actual free trade that benefits the people, not trade deals that are designed and written in such a way that benefits the corporations while screwing the
People and taking away our rights. I mean cmon the corporations themselves are writing these deals.

Whats actual free trade that benefits the people? and do you honestly think that crony capitalism isnt an issue in countries that practice protectionism?
 
China and the TPP is just a small part of it though. It's just scratching the surface of his trade talk bravado (regardless of what he meant in this one small sound bite). And his sound bites work perfectly for him. He's talked for hours about trade, yet gives the same small sound bites for a reason. He's just not capable of going beyond it. Playing on people's fantasies and using hyperbole is what he does. He might call it "truthful hyperbole" in his book, but only a fool would buy it.

I love hearing people argue that Trump is stupid, when the entire Democratic party of decades upon decades, hasn't done the damage to the GOP that Trump has done in months, and while the entire establishment GOP and media can't lay an attack on Teflon Don that will stick for more than 2 seconds.

If Trump is stupid, what does that make the DNC/RNC/media?

Is the answer retarded?
 
You finally gave up on Bernie, TS? Good man.

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Free trade is free trade. How does it need to be written to help people but not corporations?

What ?! First it shouldnt be written by " industry experts " with only corporate interests in mind.
It should be written in a way that protects workers rights and doesnt allow corps to govern themselves and have attorneys that work for the be the legal moderators between themselves and the world.
Lets start there.
 
What ?! First it shouldnt be written by " industry experts " with only corporate interests in mind.
It should be written in a way that protects workers rights and doesnt allow corps to govern themselves and have attorneys that work for the be the legal moderators between themselves and the world.
Lets start there.

If that is the only issue you see then it really isn't a concern for me in the slightest. Free trade is a worthwhile goal and if it takes industry experts to help get closer to true free trade then I'm okay with it. I trust them more than I trust members of Congress to understand and negotiate it. If you have specific things that you think we need to do to make free trade better for workers I'm all for it, but it doesn't sound like you have that at all.
 
Wasn't given a choice Rex.

My choice now is Clinton or Trump, and it is obvious who I view as the lesser of two evils.

You won't regret it. Plus, Trump ticks a lot of your boxes. He says he wants the fatcats that are storing their billions offshore to bring that money back to America.Says they gotta pay their fair share. Says it's all about negotiation and deals--hes very against the wild abuse of executive orders by the last two Presidents. He's about pragmatic FP; if that means working with dictators like Putin or Jong-un instead of fighting them, so be it. He's like Bernie without the socialism and SJW cuckery.

#HillaryForPrison2016
 
Whats actual free trade that benefits the people? and do you honestly think that crony capitalism isnt an issue in countries that practice protectionism?
Cmon man, you dont understand how a trade deal can be written in such a way that favors corporations and screws the people ?
Of course I think crony capitalism is a problem. Its what causes deals like NAFTA and TPP to be written.
We have had this discussion before and I think your opinion on the subject is biased and skewed against America tbh.
 
Because he supports actual free trade that benefits the people, not trade deals that are designed and written in such a way that benefits the corporations while screwing the
People and taking away our rights. I mean cmon the corporations themselves are writing these deals.
Trump supporters have the same brain structure as those who led Adolph Hitler into power.(you)
 
You won't regret it. Plus, Trump ticks a lot of your boxes. He says he wants the fatcats that are storing their billions offshore to bring that money back to America.Says they gotta pay their fair share. Says it's all about negotiation and deals--hes very against the wild abuse of executive orders by the last two Presidents. He's about pragmatic FP; if that means working with dictators like Putin or Jong-un instead of fighting them, so be it. He's like Bernie without the socialism and SJW cuckery.

#HillaryForPrison2016
Trump don't give a fuck about you negro.
 
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