Economy Why Trump is doing all this ? What is the end-game of this ?

[terrapin]

Hopefully. But I'll stick with Canada regardless. I'm not even a trump hater like most people here. He's just to unpredictable to plan a trip there if he acts like this. Its ok, tons of other stuff to do in other countries.

Booked a trip to Japan and Thailand last night instead.

What are you concerned could happen if you came here just out of curiosity?

I'm very interested in how other countries are viewing the states right now.

 

[ermac88]

It is a slap that can be taken back. They depend on us more than we depend on them. They have taken advantage of us and dumped their poor and unskilled on us by the millions. We had to do something so they stop letting it happen. Mexico could have stopped those caravans at any point. These caravans were not only not stopped but were supplied and helped. Biden did nothing as we all watched on the news. We knew they were coming. You critics keep ignoring how huge a problem this is. I am not sure if you just don't live in the areas that have been overwhelmed. Or just keep your heads in the sand. The results of massive illegal immigration are catastrophic and the world is dealing with it right now. We finally have a President looking to attack the problem.

"dumped their poor and unskilled on us by the million
Canada??

what the fuck are you talking about?


At the cost of a trade war with our closest trading partners so the costs of everything, goes up???

 

[terrapin]

We have no lessons to learn from totalitarian regimes. I'm not saying protectionism didn't have bad or even catastrophic effects for those countries, I'm just saying we have no way of knowing for sure when there were so many other factors involved.

We've also never seen a dominant world power like the United States adopt mercantilism-ish style practices in modern times*. The United States is the economic engine of the world, and I say that as a non-american. I'm quite convinced smaller countries do self-harm by imposing tariffs. I'm less convinced when it is done by a nation that is to a large extent self-sufficient already, and demonstrably quite capable of running rings around the rest of the world when it comes to industriousness and innovation. A USA with an internal free market system and an external restricted market might very well function just fine. I'm less sure it'll work out very well for the rest of us.

*Not counting China, which has never quite been on the level of the US. But regardless, by and large their protectionistic practices served them well for decades.

What do you think about the possible effects of chasing our allies into other people's arms and different kinds of alliances?... Do you think these tariffs and the rhetoric that Trump is using could possibly do that??

 

[terrapin]

Do you know how trade wars work? Nobody wins. Everyone hurts. America relies a lot on the shit we provide. We can also slap export tarifs on you guys if we want while stopping the consumption of American products. Yes our dollar will tank. Yes unemployment, inflation and interest rates will rise. But Canada is united in this fight while America is massively divided. We're in this for the long haul so gear up. It's going to get ugly

Under this current administration, I'm rooting for you guys frankly... I'm disgusted by Trump and what he's doing. The United States should be finding ways to help its friends and allies and serve the world instead of greedily trying to suck more and more out of it. The United States should be finding ways to help its friends and allies and serve the world instead of greedily trying to suck more and more out of it

 

[koquerelle]

Canada, China and Mexico are where all of our fentanyl comes from. Neither Mexico or Canada is doing anything about it.

Ah! The famous Canadian fentanyl pipeline.

 

[PEB]

Update on endgame he wants everyone to hate us. At least hate Elon Musk.

 

[Seano]

Ah! The famous Canadian fentanyl pipeline.

Fentanyl does come from China through Canada, not sure whats funny about it.

 

[koquerelle]

Fentanyl does come from China through Canada, not sure whats funny about it.

It's funny because we're talking about low scale operations. Mexico, China and India are the main suppliers (it's not even close) and I don't hear Republicans talk about India.

The US and Canada have problems at the border, created by both countries, and suddenly it's all Canada's fault. Trump should come at the NY-Quebec border. He might be surprised by what he sees.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

"dumped their poor and unskilled on us by the million
Canada??

what the fuck are you talking about?


At the cost of a trade war with our closest trading partners so the costs of everything, goes up???

He's talking about Mexico and you know that and you have no response so you had to pretend you misunderstood him and thought he was talking about Canada.

Seriously, what are you doing here? If you don't want to discuss politics why are you in the politics discussion forum?

 

[Hit-N-Run]

Nothing….. let me repeat, NOTHING good is going to come from this.

Trump is going to kill this economy, our current allies will see us as untrust worthy and unstable, they will turn to others and diversify where they sell and who they trade with.

And in the end, the American people will pay for it.

This is the stupidest economy move ever made in the US.

 

[HereticBD]

He's talking about Mexico and you know that and you have no response so you had to pretend you misunderstood him and thought he was talking about Canada.

In the moment, you might be correct. However, if that was the case, there would be no reason to attack Canada for the same reason, and dish out equal punishment based on that notion.

I'm under no allusions that this move has anything to do with how Canada deals with its border, but that's how he is selling it. He is literally saying that these tariffs are all due to the IMMENSE amount of fentanyl and illegal immigrants flooding the US from the Mexican and Canadian border. One of these things is not like the other...

 

[Bia]

Trump v2 is moving fast and unapologetic in his actions. He's not giving a F to neighbouring countries if deem US is not getting a fair deal. Fascinating to watch and I think the outcome will benefit the American people at the end

 

[Zazen]

What are you concerned could happen if you came here just out of curiosity?

I'm very interested in how other countries are viewing the states right now.

It's about not helping the American economy. When you travel you are dumping a ton of money into their economy. It's a way of boycotting.

 

[ermac88]

He's talking about Mexico and you know that and you have no response so you had to pretend you misunderstood him and thought he was talking about Canada.

Seriously, what are you doing here? If you don't want to discuss politics why are you in the politics discussion forum?

Umm
seriously what are YOU doing here?

Are you aware that the tariffs are imposed on imports from ALL our North American trading partners.


Are you aware that Canada is included and part of North America?

Ill ask again, what are YOU doing here?

 

[ermac88]

It's about not helping the American economy. When you travel you are dumping a ton of money into their economy. It's a way of boycotting.

understood but this is all crazy

Like now we are all poised to boycott our closest allies?

This make no fucking sense

Other than Russia maybe (probably not) China, who the hell benefits from this?


This is all at the behest of a deranged demented fool pitting us against each other

 

[Zazen]

understood but this is all crazy

Like now we are all poised to boycott our closest allies?

This make no fucking sense

Other than Russia maybe (probably not) China, who the hell benefits from this?


This is all at the behest of a deranged demented fool pitting us against each other

I don't think anyone benefits including China. We are so tied together now globally that everyone will suffer at least a little bit. Trump is just a very petty man. Did you know that this fucking clown released billions of gallons of water in California out of spite? It didn't even reach the area where the fire was. He was just pissed that Newsom stood up to him. That water was going to be used incase there's ever a drought and they need it for crops. This is the kind of guy we are dealing with.

 

[ermac88]

I don't think anyone benefits including China. We are so tied together now globally that everyone will suffer at least a little bit. Trump is just a very petty man. Did you know that this fucking clown released billions of gallons of water in California out of spite? It didn't even reach the area where the fire was. He was just pissed that Newsom stood up to him. That water was going to be used incase there's ever a drought and they need it for crops. This is the kind of guy we are dealing with.

Please tell me thats not true

There is no way he can be that much of a piece of shit

That would have nothing to with politics.

Those would just be the actions of just a shitty, rotten and evil human being.

 

[mozfonky]

As you all know, I'm the biggest Trump supporter out there. But in just 2 weeks, my eyes have been opened. The amount of hurt. The amount of agony that Trump has inflicted against people of color, underrepresented and systematically oppressed black and brown peoples have been staggering.

I, along with tens of millions of Trump voters, regret voting for him in 2024. Vote Kamala 2028.

It took til the last two weeks for you to come to that realization? Interesting.

 

[terrapin]

Please tell me thats not true

There is no way he can be that much of a piece of shit

That would have nothing to with politics.

Those would just be the actions of just a shitty, rotten and evil human being.

It would be the actions of a malignant narcissist. He is one. It's all the fun of an incurable narcissist with the addition of sadism. He likes to cause chaos hatred and confusion.


He likes to hurt people.

 

[Zazen]

Please tell me thats not true

There is no way he can be that much of a piece of shit

That would have nothing to with politics.

Those would just be the actions of just a shitty, rotten and evil human being.

Sadly it is. Even experts agree that it was a waste of water. Here’s an article on it https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/31/us/trump-water-california-central-valley.html