Why this idea Ronda is so better than Nunes in the ground if...

LSXMMA said:
I have been posting on here for almost 9 years, Junior.
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Wow!!!. I'm impressed!!!

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dontlaugh said:
So basically, Ronda's main weapon is so dangerous that someone got ready for it IN ONE CAMP and it was enough to beat her ?

If her judo and ground game are so fucking unbeatable, they could bring a fucking Gold medalist, it wouldn't be enough.
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Judo sucks in MMA. It works as part of an all round games in men's competition but it can't make you a dominant champ, or champ at all on its own.

Ronda had success because wmma had awful competition. Sub amateur level.

Satoshii Ishii is a far better judoka than Ronda, and it's taken him nowhere at HW, despite having a more well rounded game than Ronda...

And they say HW is weak...
 
BigMuffler said:
She's more of a grappling god than Nunes is a striking god. I say this as a fan of both, who believes Nunes could possibly be the best striker in WMMA.
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That's just ridiculous. Shev won the majority of the standup exchanges vs Nunes.
 
I WILL CUT YOU said:
Pointing out your obvious mental weaknesses and coping mechanisms isn't getting "triggered".

Getting obliterated in an argument and resorting to ad hominems is a sure sign of triggered behavior.

Again, you're projecting. You're fat, useless, and a failure so your mind accuses others of that to project your faults onto others. When you get called on it, and become triggered, you accuse others of being triggered.

Mike, stop. You're really embarrassing yourself badly.
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Ryoto Machida said:
That's equally ridiculous. Dropping Miesha Tate doesn't make you Rumble.
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Dropping McMann, Tate and Budd the way she did is pretty Rumble-esque WMMA wise. She's clearly much more "dangerous" in terms of a sudden finish threat than JJ. If you want to nitpick like that JJ isn't as scary as Barboza either.
 
LordMayorMuffSniff said:
Judo sucks in MMA. It works as part of an all round games in men's competition but it can't make you a dominant champ, or champ at all on its own.

Ronda had success because wmma had awful competition. Sub amateur level.

Satoshii Ishii is a far better judoka than Ronda, and it's taken him nowhere at HW, despite having a more well rounded game than Ronda...

And they say HW is weak...
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The same can be said for any individual martial art. In the modern era, how many pure boxers are champ? How many pure BJJ artists? Pure wrestlers?

Any time you take a combat sport and drastically change the ruleset to fit another sport you're automatically weakening it.

Ronda has poor striking, but blistering power. She has great throws and brutal submissions, but weak wrestling. She has great transitions and scrambles.

All around she's much better than Ishii. It's his fault for not adapting a good no-gi game into mma. Watch his fights, he tries wrist grabs because he's so used to grabbing a sleeve. Ronda has adapted her judo into no-gi very well.
 
War Pig said:
Only has to last 2 rounds at the most. If she pressures Nunes and makes her work in the clinch Nunes will be gassed by the end of the 1st.
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Ronda has a terrible gas tank too, and people make the false assumption that because she beat a bunch of girls in 10 seconds, that her b game is also better than theirs. Doesn't work that way.

Ronda has some of the worst striking in the division. Not the best. If she can't take Nunes down, she won't last the round.

It's like saying "Alvarez just had to survive until the third against Conor", easier said than done.
 
BigMuffler said:
Dropping McMann, Tate and Budd the way she did is pretty Rumble-esque WMMA wise. She's clearly much more "dangerous" in terms of a sudden finish threat than JJ. If you want to nitpick like that JJ isn't as scary as Barboza either.
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Dangerous? I guess. Skill wise? She's well behind Shev, Holm, JJ, and even Karolina K imo.
 
I WILL CUT YOU said:
The same can be said for any individual martial art. In the modern era, how many pure boxers are champ? How many pure BJJ artists? Pure wrestlers?

Any time you take a combat sport and drastically change the ruleset to fit another sport you're automatically weakening it.

Ronda has poor striking, but blistering power. She has great throws and brutal submissions, but weak wrestling. She has great transitions and scrambles.

All around she's much better than Ishii. It's his fault for not adapting a good no-gi game into mma. Watch his fights, he tries wrist grabs because he's so used to grabbing a sleeve. Ronda has adapted her judo into no-gi very well.
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Of course the same can be said for any individual mixed martial art, but only in wmma can you have just one skill and become a dominant champ. If you walked forward with your head in the air in men's MMA, you would lose every fight by KO.

She isn't a better judoka than Ishii. His game isn't as effective because his competition is better. It's as simple as that. No need for mental gymnastics.
 
LordMayorMuffSniff said:
Of course the same can be said for any individual mixed martial art, but only in wmma can you have just one skill and become a dominant champ. If you walked forward with your head in the air in men's MMA, you would lose every fight by KO.

She isn't a better judoka than Ishii. His game isn't as effective because his competition is better. It's as simple as that. No need for mental gymnastics.
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His no-gi judo isn't good. It's actually pretty terrible. Karo, Fedor, Akiyama, Rousey all have much better no-gi judo.

Ronda isn't a one trick pony. Not sure how you gleaned that from her fights. She's shown killer power and slick ground work besides her armbar.

If Nunes fights Ronda like she fought Cat, she's gonna get tossed on her head. Nunes needs an outside gameplan and circling diagonally away to avoid Ronda's throw traps. Coming in, she has to avoid Ronda's right hand, and avoid falling into her own strikes (leaving her open to be clinched up).

Nunes may wreck her, she's a beast. Or maybe Holly is the only striker good enough to do it. Everyone else who's stood toe to toe with Ronda has lost, and some by ko.
 
BigMuffler said:
Dropping McMann, Tate and Budd the way she did is pretty Rumble-esque WMMA wise. She's clearly much more "dangerous" in terms of a sudden finish threat than JJ. If you want to nitpick like that JJ isn't as scary as Barboza either.
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Nunes is also a 135er who used to fight as a 145er. She has more power because she's bigger. JJ is much more technical of a striker than Nunes. It's really not even close. I'd put Nunes's striking on par with any decent brawler but way below any accomplished strikers like Germaine, Holly, JJ or Valentina. Knocking down Budd doesn't really count for anything. Budd sucks. She couldn't stand with Germaine or Valentina and had to take them down in order to win.
 
War Pig said:
Nunes is also a 135er who used to fight as a 145er. She has more power because she's bigger. JJ is much more technical of a striker than Nunes. It's really not even close. I'd put Nunes's striking on par with any decent brawler but way below any accomplished strikers like Germaine, Holly, JJ or Valentina. Knocking down Budd doesn't really count for anything. Budd sucks. She couldn't stand with Germaine or Valentina and had to take them down in order to win.
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Ronda was getting beaten to the punch by Meisha. If she trades strikes with Nunes it's lights out. And goodbye. For good.
 
War Pig said:
Nunes is also a 135er who used to fight as a 145er. She has more power because she's bigger. JJ is much more technical of a striker than Nunes. It's really not even close. I'd put Nunes's striking on par with any decent brawler but way below any accomplished strikers like Germaine, Holly, JJ or Valentina. Knocking down Budd doesn't really count for anything. Budd sucks. She couldn't stand with Germaine or Valentina and had to take them down in order to win.
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You should read the discussion with HHJ on the first few pages first.
 
Wouldn't be surprised to see Nunes rear naked choke Ronda to be honest, especially if she hurts her on the feet first. Even Carmouche who I don't rate much at all was very close to choking Ronda out, but shes so raw and amateurish. Nunes would finish that
 
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