Why doesnt Jon Jones exit USADA's testing pool while he's out bulking up for HW

[cmw43]

Im starting to believe the suspension theories...

On another tinfoil hat topic, if he never leaves the pool there are chances of him taking a fight on short notice, there is NO way he could get an excemption for the 6-month rule to get back in the octagon if he actually leaves and "retires".

I was listening to a podcast recently can't remember if it was Bisping or a Schaub clip but they said that Jones had agreed to fight Francis last year and was all ready to go but Francis wanted extra money to fight Jones and they couldn't come to terms.

 

[icemun]

It's been "near future" since 2017.

Whether 2017, 2012 or 2023.

What does it matter?

He's in the pool to keep the option available.

It's like fruit booties just want to get their panties in a twist for no reason.

 

[kflo]

Yes,I do think he can drag it out for years.
Surely you agree he is no hurry to get his name dragged through the mud again.



No idea where you got idea it would be a short suspension from. QUOTE?

i said it would be a long suspension. longer than 2 years.

again, you are making believe he could avoid getting his name dragged through the mud by simply delaying the public release of a suspension for a 3rd ped violation.

again, the most likely scenario is there is nothing happening with him and usada.

and what basis do you have to suggest he can delay finalizing a sanction for years when it's never happened before.....

 

[El Fernas]

I was listening to a podcast recently can't remember if it was Bisping or a Schaub clip but they said that Jones had agreed to fight Francis last year and was all ready to go but Francis wanted extra money to fight Jones and they couldn't come to terms.

Makes sense, even if Ngannou knows he can KO Jones, he also knows thats the biggest fight the UFC could make for either of them, absolute biggest fight, the UFC being the UFC tried to low ball them and fight never happened, very easy to believe as well.

 

[mjfan23]

why are you lying? i've repeatedly given names. any time asked i've given actual names. AND quoted the usada policy that states the threshold limit. it's literally on the website.

Grant Dawson, Muslim Salikov, Stephanie Egger, Ryan Benoit, Roman Dolidze. there are some names for you.

https://ufc.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/UFC-Prohibited-List.pdf
the concentration limits for dhcmt are literally on the first page bullet 1.

instead of just calling bs why don't you educate yourself. i'm not here to lie.

Actual names of fighters someone knows.

And if pulsing worked all the past abusers (especially high profile ones) would have pulsed every time too. But this fake science is well fake

 

[Grandwizard666]

Probably because usada is a joke and it makes zero difference if he leaves or not. PR wise it only helps to stay.

 

[kflo]

Actual names of fighters someone knows.

And if pulsing worked all the past abusers (especially high profile ones) would have pulsed every time too. But this fake science is well fake

lol. why does it have to be names you've heard of? ah, because now that you have names you can't use the same lines......

and i've even given you this information before.

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/164274784/

frank mir was the only guy who has flagged under usada for m3 metabolites before jones and he left the testing pool after.

you said jones was the only one. you said i never provided any names. you said there's no threshold for everyone else. i gave you names, i gave you the threshold.

 

[mjfan23]

lol. why does it have to be names you've heard of? ah, because now that you have names you can't use the same lines......

and i've even given you this information before.

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/164274784/

frank mir was the only guy who has flagged under usada for m3 metabolites before jones and he left the testing pool after.

you said jones was the only one. you said i never provided any names. you said there's no threshold for everyone else. i gave you names, i gave you the threshold.

I dont recall saying anything about the fake science’s threshold I did though, yes refine my ask and say known names please. This fake science is used for strategic purposes only. Why are past known users not pulsing?

 

[kflo]

I dont recall saying anything about the fake science’s threshold I did though, yes refine my ask and say known names please. This fake science is used for strategic purposes only. Why are past known users not pulsing?

why does it matter if you know the names or not? they aren't real people? they don't count because they aren't as famous as jones?

what known users are you referring to? and you've never heard of grant dawson?

and yes, other athletes are "pulsing"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/baseba...man-steroid-they-cant-explain-why-11597845610

read about cody stanley.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

usada had zero incentive to compromise their reputation for jon jones. on top of it, they are a non-profit. they are just salaried employees with limited surplus. they aren't a multi billion dollar non-profit like fifa paying out millions.

Are USADA paid by the ufc? Yes, therefore incentive, you can argue how powerful that incentive is, but it's irrefutably there.

Is that incentive enough to forget about a positive test? I highly doubt it. Is it enough for them to allow Jones/ufc to draw out any case, I suspect it is. It's not like there is a specific party seeking quick resolution.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

why does it matter if you know the names or not? they aren't real people? they don't count because they aren't as famous as jones?

what known users are you referring to? and you've never heard of grant dawson?

and yes, other athletes are "pulsing"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/baseba...man-steroid-they-cant-explain-why-11597845610

read about cody stanley.

Major league baseball still sorting this out after 5 years, while the ufc got it sorted in under a week.

Nothing sus.

 

[anuscakes]

He was tested a total of 13 times last year, 5 times in Q1, 5 Q2, 2 Q3, 1 Q4. They're letting off the pedal.

 

[shankmcgank]

Hey, dumbass - if the case isn't resolved then he's not under suspension, and there's no way any potential case isn't resolved by this point.

Hey Dumb Ass, you ever hear of someone being found guilty, being suspended and then appealing the suspension? He can drag this out as long as he wants with constant appeals and his lawyers asking for more time to work on his case.

This would mean it is UNRESOLVED.

Thanks for playing, come again.

 

[kflo]

Are USADA paid by the ufc? Yes, therefore incentive, you can argue how powerful that incentive is, but it's irrefutably there.

Is that incentive enough to forget about a positive test? I highly doubt it. Is it enough for them to allow Jones/ufc to draw out any case, I suspect it is. It's not like there is a specific party seeking quick resolution.

Or there is nothing being resolved? Ever think of that?

There’s nothing to gain drawing out the public releasing of a suspension.

 

[kflo]

Major league baseball still sorting this out after 5 years, while the ufc got it sorted in under a week.

Nothing sus.

He asked about other cases. I provided them. Of course I expect responses like this.

And usada was dealing with it for a lot longer than a week. Again, they were already dealing with the dawson case for a while.

Of course, mlb are the experts……did you even read what the athletes are saying? Consistent?

I get that the instinct is to call it all bullshit and run at the athletes with pitchforks…..

 

[shankmcgank]

cases don't take years to resolve....he's not suspended. and when they are "resolved", if he was "suspended", they would report it.

How do you know how long they take?

Jones can afford any lawyer he wants in the world. He could drag this out for years with appeals, lawyer delays to examine evidence or have samples tested, etc.

Just because it hasn't happened before, doesn't mean it's not happening now, and if anyone has the money and motivation to avoid a suspension at all costs, it's Jones.

 

[kflo]

How do you know how long they take?

Jones can afford any lawyer he wants in the world. He could drag this out for years with appeals, lawyer delays to examine evidence or have samples tested, etc.

Just because it hasn't happened before, doesn't mean it's not happening now, and if anyone has the money and motivation to avoid a suspension at all costs, it's Jones.

They aren’t saying he’s trying to avoid a suspension. They are saying he’s just delaying the resolution.

and these aren’t court cases. There’s no appeals process. It goes to arbitration and they issue a verdict. This is what they sign up for.

 

[wwkirk]

Probably because usada is a joke and it makes zero difference if he leaves or not.

This fake science is used for strategic purposes only. Why are past known users not pulsing?

Is that incentive enough to forget about a positive test? I highly doubt it. Is it enough for them to allow Jones/ufc to draw out any case, I suspect it is. It's not like there is a specific party seeking quick resolution.

Jones can afford any lawyer he wants in the world. He could drag this out for years with appeals, lawyer delays to examine evidence or have samples tested, etc.

They aren’t saying he’s trying to avoid a suspension. They are saying he’s just delaying the resolution.

It saddens me to no end to hear you guys speak this way. Jon doesn't abuse chemicals any more. He is a good man, a reformed good man.

 

[shankmcgank]

They aren’t saying he’s trying to avoid a suspension. They are saying he’s just delaying the resolution.

and these aren’t court cases. There’s no appeals process. It goes to arbitration and they issue a verdict. This is what they sign up for.

Yoel Romero to appeal USADA suspension for anti-doping policy violation

Their appeal goes to arbitration. Who knows how long this process takes? My company takes years to find arbitration for union grievances, this isn't something that usually happens quickly.

There must be some rules in place for appellants to have proper time for their lawyers to analyse the case, conduct interviews, speak with witnesses or experts, test samples etc.

I'm sure the lawyers representing Jones are well versed in typical delay tactics.

I believe Jones is facing an 8 year suspension the next time he tests positive, his previous suspension was reduced from 4 years to 15 months.

You may be right about what you are saying, I might be right too.

The case wouldn't be resolved until arbitration is over and a ruling is issued, so imho it's still possible he is under an unannounced, unresolved suspension.

Do you happen to have any info if there are rules regarding length of arbitration process, the rules to select an arbitrator, etc?

 

[kflo]

Yoel Romero to appeal USADA suspension for anti-doping policy violation

Their appeal goes to arbitration. Who knows how long this process takes? My company takes years to find arbitration for union grievances, this isn't something that usually happens quickly.

There must be some rules in place for appellants to have proper time for their lawyers to analyse the case, conduct interviews, speak with witnesses or experts, test samples etc.

I'm sure the lawyers representing Jones are well versed in typical delay tactics.

I believe Jones is facing an 8 year suspension the next time he tests positive, his previous suspension was reduced from 4 years to 15 months.

You may be right about what you are saying, I might be right too.

The case wouldn't be resolved until arbitration is over and a ruling is issued, so imho it's still possible he is under an unannounced, unresolved suspension.

Do you happen to have any info if there are rules regarding length of arbitration process, the rules to select an arbitrator, etc?

Find a single sports arbitration for ped’s that took years.

Arbitration is the process and you can’t appeal the result of the arbitration. The cases are quick.

The arbitration company is stated in the contract. It’s mclaren’s company (MGSS). They do every case.

There’s a lot of the details here:

https://ufc.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/UFC-arbitration-rules-EN.pdf

The hearing happens within 90 days of appointment of the arbitrators and the ruling happens within 30 days of the hearing.

It can be extended but never for years.