why doesn't cyril gane get the same hate for title shots as other fighters?

[Mohawk Banditó]

Incredibly bad premise from the get.

-Gane DOES get a lot of hate, so I'm not sure how you missed it.

-Your list of who gets hate is incredibly scattered. Colby being on the same list as Joe B seems to miss the point on why people get hate for title shots. Joe got 4 shots within 17 fights between 2012-2020 in a brand new division.

-Then comparing Gane's situation, a guy who was active and fighting actual contenders and putting more than 1 win together, to a situation like Colby's which comes with rank squatting and sitting out for large periods and beating shells of fighters off losses and in one case another sit out merchant rank squatter in order to get a shot? Not even close to the same.

It's like every aspect of this complaint was designed to not make a salient point

 

[CasualBot]

Gane sucks.The New Darren Till.

 

[HendodoublechampOG]

People are never consistent, nobody said shit about romero. Dude had an interim title fight that he lost, next fight another interim title fight in which he won but didn't get the belt cause he missed weight, next fight a title fight in which he lost and missed weight again, next fight a non title fight he lost, next fight another title fight in which he again lost.

That's 4 shots in 5 fights, only won 1 of those 5 fights, and missed weight in 2 of them.

 

[Bork Neslar]

Who cares. I'm sure there are more important things you nerds should worry about.

 

[RockyLockridge]

No the HW title picture has been a sham between time Ngannou was stripped and the time Aspinall was given the title. The JBJ vanity project and the HW division have been 2 separate entities for the past 3 years. Nobody cares about your excuses. And you came in here derailing the thread just to simp on Jones as always.

That's insane.

You're literally pinning it all on Jones because you clearly are blinded by hate and have some vendetta against him. Just reeks of dishonesty. HW division has been fucked since DC beat stipe. It didn't start with when Francis left, you're just spinning a narrative that has the entire thing surrounded by Jones.

DC/stipe held the division up for years. Jones maybe half that time and once because a legitimate injury weeks before a fight. There is no need to pretend it's all Jones fault. DC stipe took forever, ngannou only had the one defense which forced the creation of an interim title, then the failed negotiations for Francis that took months before they could move the division along. The HW division was moving slowly before Jones arrived. its been fucked.

 

[jeff7b9]

He is getting them by default and generally not screwing over any more deserving fighters

Because HW is trash and there are no other exciting contentenders.

If there was ....ANYONE ... else... like literally any other option, it would be worth considering.

 

[Luthien]

There is no Dagestan / Mountain Man fighter to act as a victim at HW - Give it time

 

[markg171]

"Everyone else" being Spivac, digging deep vs Tai and getting a highly contentious decision over Volkov.

Thats literally his resume over the last 3 years and its earned him two title shots lol.

The more you guys make fun of Gane the more hilarious it'll be if he wins.

Any who, complete coincidence I'm sure that you left out that still leaves him with the best resume at HW. Hence why he got the shot instead of someone else.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Because he is a striker and HW is a wasteland of people Tom Aspinall already beat.. and Jailton Almeida.

Everybody would be shitting on Gane if there was another contender.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

HW is beyond fucked. Between Francis leaving, Jon cherry picking and the abysmal lack of quality fighters at the 6-10 spots in the rankings..... Gane getting this many shots is barely an issue.

Had Blaydes won 1 or 2 that he lost, he might be on his 2nd or third title shot by now. Black beast may get a 3rd one at this rate lol

I think it is Gane, then Almeida and we all know if Lewis manages to win one more they will throw him in there with Tom too.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

The more you guys make fun of Gane the more hilarious it'll be if he wins.

Any who, complete coincidence I'm sure that you left out that still leaves him with the best resume at HW. Hence why he got the shot instead of someone else.

He got the shot because hes the biggest name opponent. Jailton is 6-1 over the last 3 years, Volkov was a contentious judges decision away from being on a 5 fight win streak with wins over Pav and Gane in his last two.

Would you have hyped up Gane and defended him like this if Jon hadnt demolished him with ease?

 

[AmonTobin]

That's insane.

You're literally pinning it all on Jones because you clearly are blinded by hate and have some vendetta against him. Just reeks of dishonesty. HW division has been fucked since DC beat stipe. It didn't start with when Francis left, you're just spinning a narrative that has the entire thing surrounded by Jones.

DC/stipe held the division up for years. Jones maybe half that time and once because a legitimate injury weeks before a fight. There is no need to pretend it's all Jones fault. DC stipe took forever, ngannou only had the one defense which forced the creation of an interim title, then the failed negotiations for Francis that took months before they could move the division along. The HW division was moving slowly before Jones arrived. its been fucked.

We're talking about two different things. Nobody's denying 1 title fight a year is not enough. I'm talking about bogus title fight selection. We know now that Jones could have fought Ngannou and didn't. He chose a vacated title fight with Frank's sloppy seconds who can't wrestle for shit. He then chose to fight long retired Miocic. He refused Pavlovich and he refused Aspinall. It is known.

I called it a sham for a reason. I don't give a shit about Jones' alleged pec tear which he never posted proof. The injury is irrelevant. It's about who he chose to fight and not fight. You might not like how often Ngannou, Miocic, and Cormier fought but none of them ducked anybody.

 

[markg171]

He got the shot because hes the biggest name opponent. Jailton is 6-1 over the last 3 years, Volkov was a contentious judges decision away from being on a 5 fight win streak with wins over Pav and Gane in his last two.

Fancy way of saying Jailton got KTFO by Blaydes of all people recently which set him back and that Volkov is coming off a loss to Gane.

As has been explained by countless other people in this thread, and by Tom himself when he said why Gane got the shot.

Would you have hyped up Gane and defended him like this if Jon hadnt demolished him with ease?

It is now considering hyping up and defended Gane to point out that he keeps being in the best position to get title fights by beating every contender he fights.

Okay.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I'm talking about bogus title fight selection. We know now that Jones could have fought Ngannou and didn't.

It was never an option for jones. They Literally spent a year trying to sign this fight before francis left the promotion. I will make this completely and totally clear for those who want to rewrite history;

Francis won the title from stipe, spring of 2021.
Francis didn't fight again until start of 2022, During that 9 month period Cyril gane won an interim title and he and francis unified.
This was the last fight on francis' contract
he didn't resign. They negotiated that fight between january 2022 and ultimately gave up and announced jones vs gane March of 2023

When the fuck was he supposed to fight jones?? Jones took a year off to bulk up, then waited basically another entire year for francis to re-sign but he didn't.

I'd understand if they never gave cyril gane an interim title, but they did because That card was supposed to be lewis vs francis in houston, gane filled the slot and won an interim, Jones had to wait for that to resolve and after it did, Francis didn't re-sign.

So when could they have fought? there was never a timeline in which francis doesn't re-sign with the UFC and could have fought jones.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Fancy way of saying Jailton got KTFO by Blaydes of all people recently which set him back and that Volkov is coming off a loss to Gane.

Yeah "Blaydes of all people" that Gane has conveniently never fought even though Tom, Jailton, Pav, Lewis, Ngannou, Volkov and recent newcomer Kuniev have.

Volkovs loss to Gane is highly contentious, as you know. That contentious decision is literally the only basis for Gane getting a title shot. Hes had two fights since he got absolutely demolished in his last one.

It is now considering hyping up and defended Gane to point out that he keeps being in the best position to get title fights by beating every contender he fights.

I dont know if you're intentionally disingenuous or are somehow incapable of understanding the point, you dont seem stupid so i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume its the former., but just in case, one more time bolded and in caps - HE IS GIVEN SHORT PATHS TO TITLE SHOTS, IS KEPT AWAY FROM POTENTIALLY RISKY OPPONENTS ON HIS WAY TO THEM, AND GETS THE NOD FROM JUDGES IN CLOSE FIGHTS.

 

[markg171]

Yeah "Blaydes of all people" that Gane has conveniently never fought even though Tom, Jailton, Pav, Lewis, Ngannou, Volkov and recent newcomer Kuniev have.

You ever stop and wonder that maybe Gane has never fought Blaydes because Blaydes lost to nearly everybody you just listed?

Volkovs loss to Gane is highly contentious, as you know. That contentious decision is literally the only basis for Gane getting a title shot. Hes had two fights since he got absolutely demolished in his last one.

Right. He beat 4 fight win streak Volkov so got the title shot over him.

What are you struggling to understand? That 2 fight win streak (Gane) > 0 fight win streak (Volkov)?

I dont know if you're intentionally disingenuous or are somehow incapable of understanding the point, you dont seem stupid so i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume its the former., but just in case, one more time bolded and in caps - HE IS GIVEN SHORT PATHS TO TITLE SHOTS, IS KEPT AWAY FROM POTENTIALLY RISKY OPPONENTS ON HIS WAY TO THEM, AND GETS THE NOD FROM JUDGES IN CLOSE FIGHTS.

Gane is being given "short paths" to title shots by:

- Going 10-0 to fight Ngannou
- Beating 5 fight win streak Tai to fight Jones
- Beating 3 fight win streak Spivac and 4 fight win streak Volkov to fight Tom

Like Jesus Christ dude. Tai and Volkov would be worthy of the title shot if they'd beaten Gane but Gane who actually beat them isn't?

I'd love to know how Tom by contrast was totally worthy of a title shot for beating Tybura

 

[Meathead Jock]

Cyril Gane has had 3 title shots in 3 years.

2022 it was earned after going 10-0

He got another one 15 months later against Jones after beating Tai Tuivacan

He is now getting another one after a roberry win against Volkov.

I noticed he doesn't get the same hate as others like
Colby Convington 3 title shots
Dustin Porier 3 title shots
Justin Gaethje 2 title shots
Faber 4 title shots
Meg Olivi husband 4 title shots
Chael sonnon 3 title shots
Florian 3 title shots
yoel romero - 2 title fights. 2 intern fights, all blown away because of his low fight iq

in fact i dont' thikn people realize this is his third shot. how has he stayed under the radar for so long?

He doesn't get them because heavyweight is a joke of division. You get hate when you are bypassing for more highly deserving titleshot contenders

 

[AmonTobin]

I'd understand if they never gave cyril gane an interim title, but they did because That card was supposed to be lewis vs francis in houston, gane filled the slot and won an interim, Jones had to wait for that to resolve and after it did, Francis didn't re-sign.

Jones had to wait for Ngannou-Gane to resolve? I call bullshit. If Jones wanted to cut in line and fight Ngannou first he could have and UFC would have gladly obliged. In fact, they would have preferred it. Anyone who thinks Jones needed 3 years to move up to HW or that he was respectfully awaiting title unification, is delusional.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Jones had to wait for Ngannou-Gane to resolve? I call bullshit. If Jones wanted to cut in line and fight Ngannou first he could have and UFC would have gladly obliged.

Gane was already the interim champion and was not injured. There was no reasonable reason to skip over him.(Like whittaker in GSP v Bisping) When jones and stipe did the same thing, Im sure you cried foul.

Jones haters are so transparent. Not a single firm principle to stand on.

 

[BjPenn2017]

Gane getting title shots is a by product of the division being so fucking bad these days