Why do people get mad at the dominant Grappler in a boring decision?

[Vanzanto]

Im absolutely good with fighters who grapple. The fact that Lewis was so ineffective today was largely on him.

Ameilda did what he had to do to win without taking risks or damage. I think a big factor behind the reason for the fight being boring was the massive size difference between the fighters. Lewis' size kept him in it as much as anything else, If the two fighters were the same size, Ameilda very likely finishes the fight.

It was not an exciting fight by any means....but Ameillda is quite a small heavyweight. He could be an absolute monster a division down.

 

[checktheknuckles]

In fights like this I always see people rage at the guy laying on their opponent. Ya'll should redirect your rage at the guy whose skillset is so shit you could replace him with a random bouncer from a nightclub.

We watching a fight here or just two dudes laying/hugging on each other? Fighters who wall'nstall or lay'npray are the worst. Its different when you got guys like Fedor who would go for the kill everytime he had the opponent on their back. Big difference from how some fighters do it for the points, while others do it for the kill. If I wanted to watch two sweaty men hugging and laying on each other, I'd go to pornhub. But I don't and don't want to see it either in the UFC.

 

[SkinnyClaw]

Just a crop of new casual MMA fans who are more interested in watching exhibition boxing matches like the Paul bros or Ngannous flop of a charade and can’t possibly comprehend the complexities of guard passing and dominant position.


Almeida did what he was supposed to do: win big and take little damage.

Nobody is watching a UFC main event to see the complexities of guard passing for 20 minutes, you might watch a Gordon Ryan or John Danaher instructional for that, not a main event in the UFC, and who in their right mind wouldn't rather see Jake Paul fight that a guy lay on top of Derrick Lewis for 20 minutes

 

[RemyR]

Because they are just filthy casuals

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

In fights like this I always see people rage at the guy laying on their opponent. Ya'll should redirect your rage at the guy whose skillset is so shit you could replace him with a random bouncer from a nightclub.

He had full mount and he wasn't doing anything

 

[checktheknuckles]

In fights like this I always see people rage at the guy laying on their opponent. Ya'll should redirect your rage at the guy whose skillset is so shit you could replace him with a random bouncer from a nightclub.

Why you like watching guys lay on each other? I wouldn't mind it if one was at least pounding on the other guy.

 

[Greg House]

I'm not mad, just not impressed by his performance. He couldn't get Lewis out of there in 5 rounds while Spivak did it in one.

 

[Marko Polo]

I completely agree, one of the reason I hate average MMA fan discourse. You have WWE for strictly entertainment part. Why would anyone be angry at someone who completely dominates and cannot get a finish because a guy can defend submissions which is completely different skillset than defending takedowns? What is he supposed to do? Stand himself up so a guy on a couch can enjoy it more?

It is entertainment at the end of the day. Fighters who want to have a big following and therefore success/ money should keep this in mind. Unless they’re like Khabib where they’re so far ahead that the dominance becomes a spectacle in itself. Then it becomes a question of self belief, whether or not these guys truly believe they’re head and shoulders above the competition, which a lot of them need to believe to step in the cage.

 

[Ibm]

He won the fight, and did exactly what he needed to. Why would he want to get kod?

 

[r-harper-1]

Seen a lot of people already calling Almeida garbage and trash and that he should be cut. If Almeida is trash then Lewis should be bottom of the barrel filth

Doesn’t Lewis have the most ko’s in ufc history?

 

[Deleted member 592659]

Because KO’s are exciting

 

[Tito Tapped]

Heavyweight is a division for casuals. Always has been, always will be.

 

[Taric]

People can be mad all they want, but he won 50-44... it wasn't close.

 

[Fact Checker]

This isn't a bjj or grappling tournament. It's prize fighting. The fighters and the promotion do this to make money. If people are bored, the money won't come in.

John Fitch was dominant for a long time and would have likely been champion if not for GSP. Everybody thought he was boring and he finally got cut when Dana thought he was on the downside of his career. If he had a more crowd pleasing style, it probably wouldn't have happened.

I'm not one of those saying Almedia should be cut but doing nothing for long periods but laying on a Lewis who has never had any grappling isn't going to do him any favors with the promotion. I can't see them wanting to give him another main event any time soon after that performance.

This is Almeidas first decision win for the UFC, dude had a 100% finish rate going into that fight. 5 fights in a row.


You guys need to stop acting like divas, grapplers should be allowed to dominantly implement their craft too.

 

[HereticBD]

At the end of the day, it's just not very fan friendly, so most of the fans aren't gonna like or appreciate paying to watch a man dry hump another for 15-25 minutes.

Not taking anything away from the skill set, but it's just boring to watch. It's not much of a mystery as to why fans don't like it.

 

[Just Creed]

But if the person being so easily handled on the ground is so unskilled then why is he so hard to finish?

 

[LincolnHawk1]

Meh, I saw almedia going for sub attempts, but credit Lewis he was hand fighting off the attempts on all the chokes. My issue with almeida was he wasn’t throwing a ton of gnp. He was in mount for long periods of time and was not letting the hands fly.

 

[Kenny95]

If the guy on bottom is so shit... then the dominant grappler should just get him out of there.

exactly, one fighter is expert at getting into a dominant position, one fighter lacks the skills to defend it. So the expert fighter gets into a dominant position and what do they do? nothing? they throw pitter patter body shots, never posture up for ground and pound, never attempt subs, never do anything. So then why is the position considered dominant in the first place? The expert should be able to do something tangible, otherwise its a neutral position. More precisely, its a slightly winning position that relies on stalling time to win a boring decision. Its gaming the system, the fans know it, the fighters know it, the ref knows it, the judges know it, and OP sure as shit knows it.

 

[Uber_Noober]

I just like swangin’ and bangin’, it’s a personal choice.

 

[Cooliox]

Not every dominant grappling display is the same. Lewis was frozen, afraid to make any mistakes unless he saw an opening where he could use his strength to power out or up, and Almeida refused to throw strikes for long periods of time to soften him up and create or cause a finish. I have no issues with a dominant wrestling or grappling performance, but your question doesn't have a one size fits all answer.

At the end of the day, Almeida dominated that fight. It was a good win for him despite not being a good fight. But based off of his past, we expected more. Expectations are a motherfucker.

Exactly

Lewis started fighting to not get finished.

Would see it all the time with GSP's opponents.

They go in there to win, then at some point just flip the switch and aim to survive.


It's not as easy to finish an opponent who is fighting to not be finished.

It is supposed to be on Lewis to explode out of the situation, take some risks... he's losing right?
It shouldn't be on Almeida to take the risks and lose position, while he's ahead.