Why do people care about fighter pay?

[jsbx45]

What MMA promotion or sport lets their athletes compete outside them for that sport they signed them to?

PFL as a recent, famous, loud, shining example of this...

 

[philweed]

Cuz nosy, little fux like to get up in another man’s financial business. It’s fucking weird.

 

[613]

I don't give a fuck about the top guys making millions crying. But the lower end guys should be paid way more

 

[sdpdude9]

I'm still fucked up on anesthesia so don't expect a detailed retort, but man, to me, "I don't care because it doesn't effect me" is just such a weird philosophy for people to defend, especially when you have to narrow it to a specific example in order to say that, when the example is indicative of a systemic issue that definitely does effect you

This right here. Speaking in a general sense, if everybody adopts a “I don’t care about things that don’t affect me personally” attitude nothing will ever get better for anybody. Fighting for your fellow man leads to a better life for everybody.

 

[Alacran]

That's an independent contractor, hence the contractor part. Maybe you're thinking of freelancers or something? Employees have a fixed schedule of part time or full time hours and are paid either salaries or hourly. Fighters don't have regular schedules and turn downs dates, opponents and locations all the time.

Personal trainers in gyms are independent contractors, and similarly have uniforms, can't just take their clients to another gym, while the person at the desk is an employee, and there are probably also managers who are employees who have to keep a set number of office hours.

I just follow the IRS guidelines and the UFC fits the criteria of an employer.

 

[Bork Neslar]

Why not?

 

[markys00]

Because it holds back the sport.

If there was a more even revenue split and better contracts for the fighters, I bet over time more people would look to MMA as a viable career.

Would you get your skull caved in for 8 grand you keep 25% of if you’re lucky? I wouldn’t and most other people wouldn’t either.

Ah yes, look at all those orgs that paid their fighters a large amount of money, like affliction. It sure is thriving today

 

[markys00]

Sherdoggers like to complain. And most are very stupid. It's a crazy combo

 

[burningspear]

you can show me 1 boxer that is earning massive money and i can show you 5 that have gone completely off the rails when they have started earning decent money, hundreds and hundreds of them

Saying we will underpay you because you cant handle the cash is ludicrous.

 

[JBJ was here]

Because one day, the next generation of potential up-and-coming fighters are going to decide to do something else with their life that actually makes money. Maybe other sports, maybe even something else. But if you don't pay today's fighters better, the next generation may not be interested and we'll be left with the Mickey Gall's of the world.

This is already happening, which is why LHW and HW are wastelands, with MW lagging as well; there are more professional choices and a smaller overall talent pool once you hit the size of the larger weight classes.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Ah yes, look at all those orgs that paid their fighters a large amount of money, like affliction. It sure is thriving today

They can’t afford to but the UFC (who gives about 13% of revenue to fighters, in comparison of most major sports which are around 50%) absolutely can. The UFC has a monopoly.

I mean shit, even the bonuses.. 50k for 20+ years. They should index that shit to inflation.

 

[cburm]

simple question out of pure curiosity.
I’m not disagreeing it’s too low. It is definitely too low.

Can anyone tell me why they care though? Is it about opposing the rich and powerful in a general sense?





My opinion: I personally don’t care because like, it doesn’t affect me. If I was going to lobby for higher pay, these famous athletes who earn above median income would not be the top professions on my list. I’m not even sure they respect the average person anyway or are amazing people, so I don’t feel morally obliged.

If fighters had better pay they can get better training and wed have better fights instead we get NCAA wrestling since it's taught for free in grade school..

 

[egk]

What data do you have to support that high level athletes like Federer, Lebron, Ronaldo, or Ohtanei would be willing to be punched in the face for money instead of playing their own sports?

I never named top guys in other sports. I said better athletes.
There are a lot of guys who may not be at the pro level in a particular sport that are way better athletes than a lot of MMA fighters. There is currently no major league for wrestlers who have ended their college ilgibility for instance. If there was money in it, maybe they'd continue on. It doesn't automatically make them better fighters but it widens the talent pool.

 

[Kono dio da!]

simple question out of pure curiosity.
I’m not disagreeing it’s too low. It is definitely too low.

Can anyone tell me why they care though? Is it about opposing the rich and powerful in a general sense?





My opinion: I personally don’t care because like, it doesn’t affect me. If I was going to lobby for higher pay, these famous athletes who earn above median income would not be the top professions on my list. I’m not even sure they respect the average person anyway or are amazing people, so I don’t feel morally obliged.

They take brain damage for our amusement. Dana and them take the lion share. That's wrong

 

[Southpoor97]

I'm still fucked up on anesthesia so don't expect a detailed retort, but man, to me, "I don't care because it doesn't effect me" is just such a weird philosophy for people to defend, especially when you have to narrow it to a specific example in order to say that, when the example is indicative of a systemic issue that definitely does effect you

*Edit* it just reminds of that super Facebook-y stance of "Why should some burger flipper make as much as me?" when it's like "My guy, they want you asking the question downwards so you're part of the support against them, and by extension, yourself. The question is why aren't you both making more? Don't hold the workers down. Eviscerate the bourgeoisie!

But no one is lobbying for the common man and ufc fighters certainly aren’t.

The people lobbying for ufc fighters to get paid more are quite often less wealthy than the fighters they lobby for

 

[Southpoor97]

I think since the far left became mma fans and infiltrated our once safe forum, especially in the United States we have seen more and more whinging about it. Frankly I find it hilarious that gen z seems to care about everyone else other than themselves, so while they’re drinking their soy lattes and living in their parents basements on minium wage jobs they can feel part of a community, or something bizarre.

I think the worst case I saw was when these supposed mma fans were happier to see Francis beat up bums in the z league than watch him fight the best of the best.

Why not try and improve their own pay or do something for nurses and police who are on terrible money but keep society safe.

Also definitely cultural, I’ve only heard yanks obsess and complain about fighter pay.

This is what I don’t get?

Do people have no self respect or ambition?

They are out here lobbying for fighters who are doing well for themselves overall whilst they are poorer?

It doesn’t make sense. It’s like these people see themselves as inferior to other people

 

[Brigfa2]

Because what fighters to grown males is no different than what k-pop idols to teenage girls

 

[SuperAlly]

Because what fighters to grown males is no different than what k-pop idols to teenage girls

 

[Starman]

No one cares. They just pretend to.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Tbh MMA fighters are not paid badly at all relative to the size of the talent pool, the relative speed/ease from day 1 to the top, the statistical chance of "making it" compared to other sports, it being a sport that people can succeed in even starting as adults, and that guys from other sports can transition into etc etc.