Why couldnt Jones wrestlef*ck Gustafsson, Reyes and Thiago Santos ?

[mmarcelo]

TLDR:
How would you sherbros rate their grappling skills ?


I was thinking about how Jones vs Pereira would playout and got myself thinking about Gustafsson, Reyes and Thiago Santos all coming very close to winning a decision over Jones and whether all three are that much more complete than Poatan.
How much would you sherbros rate their grappling skills ?
Let's try to be fair, nowadays according to many fans and commentators no one has grappling skills.. at least no one that Poatan ever faces. Belts also mean nothing, Poatan's black belt is laughed at. So whatever your criteria is, be consistent. It's indeed likely that Poatan would be taken down and dominated by Jones,but I'm just trying to understand.

 

[HHJ]

Obviously DC was his toughest test there.

Poatan wouldnt have been able to deal with that.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Hammil


Who beat him good

 

[mmarcelo]

Obviously DC was his toughest test there.

Poatan wouldnt have been able to deal with that.

How so ? I don't see people claiming DC was robbed a decision like with Reyes and Santos.

 

[HHJ]

How so ?

Well, I can see this is going to be a conversation worth continuing.

 

[gosuasus]

Jon jones is one of the weirdest wrestlers. One time he struggles to take down thiago santis, the other time he's throwing around Stipe miocic and daniel cormier. Wtf??

Maybe it's the look-see-do part that i don't understand.

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

He took down Daniel Cormier who was 2008 Olympic Team Wrestling Captain. He grapple f$cks Poatan from 30 seconds on and Alex will be hesitant because nobody walks into the cage fighting Jon feeling good about themselves with respect to grappling.

Why does everyone consider Alex susceptible? Because he lacks any background in grappling and Jon has being doing this his entire life.

Now, Jon being Jon, might say I want to beat Alex up on the feet, that might, just might, be a mistake.

 

[mmarcelo]

Well, I can see this is going to be a conversation worth continuing.

DC is better than the other three and a "tougher challenge", which tells me you read the title and rushed to answer without reading the OP.

 

[HHJ]

DC is better than the other three and a "tougher challenge", which tells me you read the title and rushed to answer without reading the OP.

You dont get to my post count bothering with details like that.

 

[mmarcelo]

He took down Daniel Cormier who was 2008 Olympic Team Wrestling Captain. He grapple f$cks Poatan from 30 seconds on and Alex will be hesitant because nobody walks into the cage fighting Jon feeling good about themselves with respect to grappling.

Why does everyone consider Alex susceptible? Because he lacks any background in grappling and Jon has being doing this his entire life.

Now, Jon being Jon, might say I want to beat Alex up on the feet, that might, just might, be a mistake.

That was not my question, I also conceded Alex's weakness. Why did you bring DC which was not mentioned and didnt comment on the other three that were ?

 

[mmarcelo]

Jon jones is one of the weirdest wrestlers. One time he struggles to take down thiago santis, the other time he's throwing around Stipe miocic and daniel cormier. Wtf??

Maybe it's the look-see-do part that i don't understand.

Also was taken down by Gustafsson

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

That was not my question, I also conceded Alex's weakness. Why did you bring DC which was not mentioned and didnt comment on the other three that were ?

You're question is flawed. Who knows what was in Jon's head. Jon may have decided he wasn't going to grapple, just wasn't in the mood. Jon is a weird dude. He could apply the same thing to Alex thus giving Alex a chance. The problem for Alex is that if Jon doesn't apply that logic and decides he wants to grapple then Alex is totally and completely screwed. Also maybe Jon didn't train like he said and grappling is cardio heavy.

 

[mmarcelo]

Ok sherbros, I changed the title so the TLDR folks can participate

 

[gosuasus]

Also was taken down by Gustafsson

Yeah gus outwrestled him with ease but then suddenly in the rematch didn't know how to scramble from half nelson. Tf?!

Maybe jon jones being tall and lanky creates different pressure points on the body and joints than I am used to seeing from other wrestlers.

 

[moreorless87]

Jon jones is one of the weirdest wrestlers. One time he struggles to take down thiago santis, the other time he's throwing around Stipe miocic and daniel cormier. Wtf??

Maybe it's the look-see-do part that i don't understand.

Cormier it was really moreso Jones neutralised him then got a takedowns when DC was tired and overcommitting to trying to take him down leaving room for reversals.

 

[mmarcelo]

Yeah gus outwrestled him with ease but then suddenly in the rematch didn't know how to scramble from half nelson. Tf?!

Not like that... he got Jon worried about the stand up and seized the TD opportunity, but still interesting.

 

[mmarcelo]

You're question is flawed. Who knows what was in Jon's head. Jon may have decided he wasn't going to grapple, just wasn't in the mood. Jon is a weird dude. He could apply the same thing to Alex thus giving Alex a chance. The problem for Alex is that if Jon doesn't apply that logic and decides he wants to grapple then Alex is totally and completely screwed. Also maybe Jon didn't train like he said and grappling is cardio heavy.

Your answer is a very random guess. So are you saying Jones could have wrestlef*cked all three and chose not to ? Or do you think all three are much superior to Alex in grappling ?

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

Your answer is a very random guess. So are you saying Jones could have wrestlef*cked all three and chose not to ? Or do you think all three are much superior to Alex in grappling ?

It has been noted that Jon wasn't training a whole lot back in that time period, my guess is that he didn't want to wear himself out. Nobody can know.

Here is what I do know, Alex's grappling sucks compared to Jon's, Jon knows this as well, so the path is clear if he elects to go there.

 

[Ser das Trevas]

 

[mmarcelo]

It has been noted that Jon wasn't training a whole lot back in that time period, my guess is that he didn't want to wear himself out. Nobody can know.

Here is what I do know, Alex's grappling sucks compared to Jon's, Jon knows this as well, so the path is clear if he elects to go there.

Its fine, if I understood well your opinion is basically he could have dominated them on the ground and there's nothing special about those three's grappling skills vs Poatan. Got it, just the comparison about Jones and Poatan is a and obvious thing and irrelevant to the topic, which is a comparison of Jones adversaries between themselves.