Why America cant win International BOXING

[-guerilla-]

Why Americans can't win international boxing is very similar to The Reason Americans can't win international kickboxing Wrestling Judo or any other host of Combat Sports including MMA

the sad fact of the matter is America has a particular model when it comes to the martial arts/ combat sports and that is business exclusive

unlike the rest of the world that treats training like all other public Sports in the United States we treat combat sports solely as a for-profit business

this different dichotomy allows for a whole host of issues that keep Americans from being able to compete at the international level

Back in the day America used to have boxing wrestling and martial arts available at the public school level so it was in fact / de facto a socialized athletic Combat Sports program just like the Soviet Union

over the decades as America has become more and more risk-averse PC health frantic and litigious sports like boxing have slowly disappeared from public facilities and exclusively survive now in the strip malls and a few select gyms thruout the nation

the exact same reason Americans can't win international wrestling kickboxing and judo is the same reason that Americans are falling behind in the sport of boxing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_world_boxing_champions

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Heavyweight (200+ lb/90.7+ kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingAnthony Joshua
Super champion
 United Kingdom
23–1 (21 KO)
December 7, 2019Tyson Fury
 United Kingdom
30–0–1 (21 KO)
February 22, 2020Anthony Joshua
 United Kingdom
23–1 (21 KO)
December 7, 2019Anthony Joshua
 United Kingdom
23–1 (21 KO)
December 7, 2019Tyson Fury
 United Kingdom
30–0–1 (21 KO)
February 22, 2020Manuel Charr
Regular champion
 Syria
31–4 (17 KO)
November 25, 2017Trevor Bryan
Interim champion
 United States
20–0 (14 KO)
August 11, 2018Dillian Whyte
Interim champion
 United Kingdom
27–1 (18 KO)
December 11, 2019

Cruiserweight (200 lb/90.7 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingArsen Goulamirian
Super champion
 France
26–0 (18 KO)
August 31, 2019Ilunga Makabu
 Democratic Republic of the Congo
27–2 (24 KO)
January 31, 2020Yuniel Dorticos
 Cuba
24–1 (22 KO)
June 15, 2019vacantvacantBeibut Shumenov
Regular champion
 Kazakhstan
18–2 (12 KO)
August 31, 2019Ryad Merhy
Interim champion
 Belgium
29–1 (24 KO)
October 19, 2019

Light heavyweight (175 lb/79.4 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingDmitry Bivol
Super champion
 Russia
17–0 (11 KO)
September 23, 2017Artur Beterbiev
 Russia
15–0 (15 KO)
October 18, 2019Artur Beterbiev
 Russia
15–0 (15 KO)
November 11, 2017vacantvacantJean Pascal
Regular champion
 Canada
35–6–1–1 (20 KO)
August 3, 2019Dominic Boesel
Interim champion
 Germany
30–1 (12 KO)
November 16, 2019

Super middleweight (168 lb/76.2 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingCallum Smith
Super champion
 United Kingdom
27–0 (19 KO)
September 28, 2018David Benavidez
 United States
22–0 (19 KO)
September 28, 2019Caleb Plant
 United States
20–0 (12 KO)
January 13, 2019Billy Joe Saunders
 United Kingdom
29–0 (14 KO)
May 18, 2019Callum Smith
 United Kingdom
27–0 (19 KO)
September 28, 2018Canelo Álvarez
Regular champion
 Mexico
53–1–2 (36 KO)
December 15, 2018

Middleweight (160 lb/72.6 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingCanelo Álvarez
Super champion
 Mexico
53–1–2 (36 KO)
September 15, 2018Jermall Charlo
 United States
30–0 (22 KO)
June 26, 2019Gennady Golovkin
 Kazakhstan
40–1–1 (35 KO)
October 5, 2019Demetrius Andrade
 United States
29–0 (18 KO)
October 20, 2018Canelo Álvarez
 Mexico
53–1–2 (36 KO)
September 15, 2018Ryōta Murata
Regular champion
 Japan
16–2 (13 KO)
July 12, 2019Chris Eubank Jr.
Interim champion
 United Kingdom
29–2 (22 KO)
December 7, 2019

Light middleweight (154 lb/69.9 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingJeison Rosario
Super champion
 Dominican Republic
20–1–1 (14 KO)
January 18, 2020Jermell Charlo
 United States
33–1 (17 KO)
December 21, 2019Jeison Rosario
 Dominican Republic
20–1–1 (14 KO)
January 18, 2020Patrick Teixeira
 Brazil
31–1 (22 KO)
November 30, 2019vacantErislandy Lara
Regular champion
 United States
26–3–3 (15 KO)
August 31, 2019

Welterweight (147 lb/66.7 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingManny Pacquiao
Super champion
 Philippines
62–7–2 (39 KO)
July 20, 2019Errol Spence Jr.
 United States
26–0 (21 KO)
September 28, 2019Errol Spence Jr.
 United States
26–0 (21 KO)
May 27, 2017Terence Crawford
 United States
36–0 (27 KO)
June 9, 2018vacantAlexander Besputin
Regular champion
 Russia
14–0 (9 KO)
November 30, 2019

Light welterweight (140 lb/63.5 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingJosh Taylor
Super champion
 United Kingdom
16–0 (12 KO)
October 26, 2019José Ramírez
 United States
25–0 (17 KO)
March 17, 2018Josh Taylor
 United Kingdom
16–0 (12 KO)
May 18, 2019José Ramírez
 United States
25–0 (17 KO)
July 27, 2019Josh Taylor
 United Kingdom
16–0 (12 KO)
October 26, 2019Mario Barrios
Regular champion
 United States
25–0 (16 KO)
September 28, 2019Alberto Puello
Interim champion
 Dominican Republic
19–0 (7 KO)
July 27, 2019

Lightweight (135 lb/61.2 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingVasyl Lomachenko
Super champion
 Ukraine
14–1 (10 KO)
May 12, 2018vacantTeófimo López
 United States
15–0 (12 KO)
December 14, 2019Vasyl Lomachenko
 Ukraine
14–1 (10 KO)
December 8, 2018Vasyl Lomachenko
 Ukraine
14–1 (10 KO)
May 12, 2018Gervonta Davis
Regular champion
 United States
23–0 (22 KO)
December 28, 2019Devin Haney
Champion in recess
 United States
24–0 (15 KO)
December 12, 2019

Super featherweight (130 lb/59 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingLéo Santa Cruz
Super champion
 Mexico
37–1–1 (19 KO)
November 23, 2019Miguel Berchelt
 Mexico
37–1 (33 KO)
January 28, 2017Joseph Diaz
 United States
31–1 (15 KO)
January 30, 2020Jamel Herring
 United States
21–2 (10 KO)
May 25, 2019vacantRene Alvarado
Regular champion
 Nicaragua
32–8 (21 KO)
November 23, 2019Chris Colbert
Interim champion
 United States
14–0 (5 KO)
January 18, 2020

Featherweight (126 lb/57.2 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingLéo Santa Cruz
Super champion
 Mexico
37–1–1 (19 KO)
January 28, 2017Gary Russell Jr.
 United States
31–1 (18 KO)
March 28, 2015Josh Warrington
 United Kingdom
30–0 (7 KO)
May 19, 2018Shakur Stevenson
 United States
13–0 (7 KO)
October 26, 2019vacantXu Can
Regular champion
 China
18–2 (3 KO)
January 26, 2019

Super bantamweight (122 lb/55.3 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingMurodjon Akhmadaliev
Super champion
 Uzbekistan
8–0 (6 KO)
January 30, 2020Rey Vargas
 Mexico
34–0 (22 KO)
February 25, 2017Murodjon Akhmadaliev
 Uzbekistan
8–0 (6 KO)
January 30, 2020Emanuel Navarrete
 Mexico
30–1 (26 KO)
December 8, 2018vacantBrandon Figueroa
Regular champion
 United States
20–0–1 (15 KO)
April 20, 2019Ryosuke Iwasa
Interim champion
 Japan
27–3 (17 KO)
December 7, 2019

Bantamweight (118 lb/53.5 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingNaoya Inoue
Super champion
 Japan
19–0 (16 KO)
November 7, 2019Nordine Oubaali
 France
17–0 (12 KO)
January 19, 2019Naoya Inoue
 Japan
19–0 (16 KO)
May 18, 2019Johnriel Casimero
 Philippines
29–4 (20 KO)
November 30, 2019Naoya Inoue
 Japan
19–0 (16 KO)
May 18, 2019Guillermo Rigondeaux
Regular champion
 Cuba
20–1–0–1 (13 KO)
February 8, 2020

Super flyweight (115 lb/52.2 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingKhalid Yafai
 United Kingdom
26–0 (15 KO)
December 10, 2016Juan Francisco Estrada
 Mexico
40–3 (27 KO)
April 26, 2019Jerwin Ancajas
 Philippines
32–1–2 (22 KO)
September 3, 2016Kazuto Ioka
 Japan
25–2 (14 KO)
June 19, 2019Juan Francisco Estrada
 Mexico
40–3 (27 KO)
April 26, 2019Andrew Moloney
Interim champion
 Australia
21–0 (14 KO)
November 15, 2019

Flyweight (112 lb/50.8 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingArtem Dalakian
 Ukraine
20–0 (14 KO)
February 24, 2018Julio Cesar Martinez
 Mexico
15–1–0–1 (12 KO)
December 20, 2019Moruti Mthalane
 South Africa
39–2 (26 KO)
July 15, 2018vacantvacantLuis Concepción
Interim champion
 Panama
39–8 (28 KO)
February 7, 2020

Light flyweight (108 lb/49 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingHiroto Kyoguchi
Super champion
 Japan
14–0 (9 KO)
December 31, 2018Kenshiro Teraji
 Japan
17–0 (10 KO)
May 20, 2017Felix Alvarado
 Nicaragua
35–2 (30 KO)
October 29, 2018Elwin Soto
 Mexico
17–1 (12 KO)
June 21, 2019Hiroto Kyoguchi
 Japan
14–0 (9 KO)
December 31, 2018Carlos Cañizales
Regular champion
 Venezuela
22–0–1 (17 KO)
March 18, 2018Daniel Matellon
Interim champion
 Cuba
11–0–2 (6 KO)
February 7, 2020

Mini flyweight (105 lb/47.6 kg)Edit

WBAWBCIBFWBOThe RingThammanoon Niyomtrong
 Thailand
20–0 (7 KO)
June 29, 2016Wanheng Menayothin
 Thailand
54–0 (18 KO)
November 6, 2014Pedro Taduran
 Philippines
14–2–1 (11 KO)
September 7, 2019Wilfredo Méndez
 Puerto Rico
16–1 (6 KO)
August 24, 2019vacant

 

[DeJulez]

Why Americans can't win international boxing is very similar to The Reason Americans can't win international kickboxing Wrestling Judo or any other host of Combat Sports including MMA

the sad fact of the matter is America has a particular model when it comes to the martial arts/ combat sports and that is business exclusive

unlike the rest of the world that treats training like all other public Sports in the United States we treat combat sports solely as a for-profit business

this different dichotomy allows for a whole host of issues that keep Americans from being able to compete at the international level

Back in the day America used to have boxing wrestling and martial arts available at the public school level so it was in fact / de facto a socialized athletic Combat Sports program just like the Soviet Union

over the decades as America has become more and more risk-averse PC health frantic and litigious sports like boxing have slowly disappeared from public facilities and exclusively survive now in the strip malls and a few select gyms thruout the nation

the exact same reason Americans can't win international wrestling kickboxing and judo is the same reason that Americans are falling behind in the sport of boxing

America has more belts than Europe as a whole right now.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Its widely known that the British have had a hard time beating Americans in the HW division.
And we all know America and Mexico own the fighting world. Dont think for one second that those pansy ass Europeans have anything on the West.

 

[MrFeeny]

America has more belts than Europe as a whole right now.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Its widely known that the British have had a hard time beating Americans in the HW division.
And we all know America and Mexico own the fighting world. Dont think for one second that those pansy ass Europeans have anything on the West.

I just looked on wikipedia. I think Europe has them beat.

 

[Blazeblack]

What a dumb shit thread. The US has more top 10 fighters and belt holders than any other country. Go troll elsewhere.

 

[seanb1979]

It's simple math. On average your chances of success doing almost anything other than fighting are astronomically higher. To make great money as a fighter you have to reach a high pinnacle and go through a ton of life altering punishment. Or you can just get a degree and earn a decent to great living without the brain damage.

 

[DeJulez]

I just looked on wikipedia. I think Europe has them beat.

Ok, just added them up.
America has 15 of the 68 belts.
Europe as a continent has 15 out of 68 belts. So they are tied.

 

[DeJulez]

Mexico has 9 belts alone.
If we count Mexicans and Mexican-Americas, that total goes up to 13, which would give people of Mexican descent, the most belts in boxing right now.

 

[I am your real dad]

America has more belts than Europe as a whole right now.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Its widely known that the British have had a hard time beating Americans in the HW division.
And we all know America and Mexico own the fighting world. Dont think for one second that those pansy ass Europeans have anything on the West.

 

[DeJulez]

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[DeJulez]

 

[I am your real dad]

Do you really want to play this game?

yes

 

[DeJulez]

View attachment 734979 yes

Wasnt in his prime and I actually posted multiple pics but only that one showed.
Let me try again.
Also, hes of Jamican descent and grew up in Canada. He aint British, if he was he shouldve fought for them in the Olympics

 

[-guerilla-]

"Long gone are the days of North America ruling the global roost"

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/ne...t-successful-nations-rank-in-the-boxing-world

America WAS dominant some years ago but the tide is shifting...BIG TIME

unlike in the sports of wrestling, Judo and kickboxing there was a time when america was the boxing Powerhouse of the world

Today America is getting left in the dust of the rest of the world in
ALL COMBAT SPORTS

even boxing

 

[DeJulez]

Americans slaughtering their British counterparts through out the years

 

[DeJulez]

"Long gone are the days of North America ruling the global roost"

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/ne...t-successful-nations-rank-in-the-boxing-world

America WAS dominant some years ago but the tide is shifting...BIG TIME

unlike in the sports of wrestling, Judo and kickboxing there was a time when america was the boxing Powerhouse of the world

Today America is getting left in the dust of the rest of the world in
ALL COMBAT SPORTS

even boxing

From what I see, America is still dominating.
Do you mean to say the World is doing better?
Also Mexico shits on every country in Europe.
America has the most champions in Boxing history. Mexico is 2nd, Japan is 3rd, and Britain is in 4th.

 

[Milton_Gracie]

It doesn't matter how America is doing in sports. We are still number 1 when it comes to whooping a$$ in war. To hell with health care. We got the big guns and still number 1. USA! USA!

 

[-guerilla-]

From what I see, America is still dominating.
Do you mean to say the World is doing better?
Also Mexico shits on every country in Europe.
America has the most champions in Boxing history. Mexico is 2nd, Japan is 3rd, and Britain is in 4th.

Per capita America is not producing enough talented athletes to keep up with the rest of the world

boxing programs have been taken out of our public schools and out of our public facilities because of fear of injury so it's entirely dependent on the for-profit world to carry the sport

the corporate martial arts model doesn't lend itself well to combat sports because they are low profit and high risk

 

[Milton_Gracie]

Why do all the Europeans hire American trainers? Last night I saw the guys in Fury's corner wearing Kronk gym shirts. America all the way baby. Still number 1 no matter how you look at it.

 

[DeJulez]

Per capita America is not producing enough talented athletes to keep up with the rest of the world

boxing programs have been taken out of our public schools and out of our public facilities because of fear of injury so it's entirely dependent on the for-profit world to carry the sport

the corporate martial arts model doesn't lend itself well to combat sports because they are low profit and high risk

That is true, but I think you mean White Americans arent boxing anymore, even though I see a comeback with guys like Plant, Joey Spencer and Vito Mielnicki and Nikita Ababiy.

 

[Athenry04]

The threads on here today have been largely dogshit, this fecal matter is no exception.