Who Won? Robert Whittaker or Yoel Romero?

[TheAmericanGazelle]

The two major issues in play were:

1. Round 4, and
2. If round 5 was a 10-8 round

To me, Whittaker won round 4 and round 5 was a 10-8 round...so I scored it a draw.

I'm not exactly weeping that it was scored for Whittaker though.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

The two major issues in play were:

1. Round 4, and
2. If round 5 was a 10-8 round

To me, Whittaker won round 4 and round 5 was a 10-8 round...so I scored it a draw.

I'm not exactly weeping that it was scored for Whittaker though.

Look on the last page, I posted the actual scoring criteria. rounds 3 and 5 necessitate a 10-8 Romero, the only real question is if 5 was 10-7.

 

[Lukn4trbl]

It really wasn’t 10-8 is utter domination with zero resistance if r5 was a 10-8 then so was round 1.

Neither of them was a 10-8

They have given 10-8 rounds for bitch slaps on so many other fights.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

They have given 10-8 rounds for bitch slaps on so many other fights.

Haters gonna hate.

They are wrong, that is not how 10-8 are scored in the NEW rules, I posted the new rules. 3 and 5 check all 3 boxes which mean a 10-8 is required in both rounds, the judges, if they follow the rules, can't score it 10-9. It would be like a ref allowing groin strikes and fence grabs because they want to. Egregious.

 

[JoshR86]

When I saw it i though Yoel won, but it's by no means a robbery, Yoel did not convincingly win 3 rounds so it was anybody's fight.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

I'm just glad Whitaker is so well liked and Romero is kind of universally seen as shady, or this would go on for months. Romero had him on queer street repeatedly. It shouldn't be that controversial.

 

[thorcorm]

https://www.mmafighting.com/2016/8/...-changes-to-mma-scoring-criteria-new-rules-in

Yoel almost finished BK in rounds 3 and 5, that means YR checks all 3 boxes in both rounds and by definition they MUST be 10-8 rounds.

Not in round 3 he didn't. Robert recovered, and threw significant offence too, which is listed as a reason for 10-8 rounds. If a fighter doesn't throw much offence then a 10-8 can be given. Whitaker had some great elbows which forced Yoel to level change. That headkick was big too.

 

[chinarice]

People keep forgetting this fight was under the NEW scoring which is designed to make 10-8 much more common. There are really only 1 question about scoring the rounds.

Round 1: 10-9 BK
Round 2: 10-9 BK
Round 3: 10-8 YR
Round 4: 10-9 BK
Round 5: 10-8 or 10-7 YR

If you have a difference of opinion I would please like you to look at the NEW scoring rules and explain why 3 and 5 are not 10-8 for YR.

At the very least you have to admit round 5 is a 10-8 Romero, making the fight a Draw at BEST.

I don't see how round 3 was a 10-8. The round was close until the knockdown. It wasn't like Whittaker was tooled the entire round and it wasn't like he was close to the ref stopping him from taking more punishment.

10-9 and not all 10-9s are created equal.

Round 1 was pretty dominant for Whittaker..... was that a 10-8? Romero was basically a punching bag in round 1. He was almost quadrupled in strikes landed.

 

[CrimsonFan]

Honestly this is an accurate poll.

Close fight, Yoel by a hair

Fire the judges just poll us

 

[george14]

I don't see how round 3 was a 10-8. The round was close until the knockdown. It wasn't like Whittaker was tooled the entire round and it wasn't like he was close to the ref stopping him from taking more punishment.

10-9 and not all 10-9s are created equal.

Round 1 was pretty dominant for Whittaker..... was that a 10-8? Romero was basically a punching bag in round 1. He was almost quadrupled in strikes landed.

Thank you.

Gotta love people calling for a 10-8 round in round 3 yet Whittaker dominated round 1. Yoel did nothing and was hit a million times. Round 3 was no where near a 10-8.

Round 5 could have been a 10-8. The 10-7 claims are ridiculous though.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

Not in round 3 he didn't. Robert recovered, and threw significant offence too, which is listed as a reason for 10-8 rounds. If a fighter doesn't throw much offence then a 10-8 can be given. Whitaker had some great elbows which forced Yoel to level change. That headkick was big too.

Whittaker recovered .. and lost the round by a huge margin. He was put on queer street and Romero outlanded him 2-1, every single criteria for 10-8 was convincingly reached without any argument to the contrary. Bobby landing some offense of his own has nothing to do with the criteria.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

Thank you.

Gotta love people calling for a 10-8 round in round 3 yet Whittaker dominated round 1. Yoel did nothing and was hit a million times. Round 3 was no where near a 10-8.

Round 5 could have been a 10-8. The 10-7 claims are ridiculous though.

I posted the actual scoring criteria, it clearly shows why round 1 is not a 10-8 and round 3 is, impact.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

I don't see how round 3 was a 10-8. The round was close until the knockdown. It wasn't like Whittaker was tooled the entire round and it wasn't like he was close to the ref stopping him from taking more punishment.

10-9 and not all 10-9s are created equal.

Round 1 was pretty dominant for Whittaker..... was that a 10-8? Romero was basically a punching bag in round 1. He was almost quadrupled in strikes landed.

Round 3 stats ...

Sig. Strikes:
Robert Whittaker: 18 of 42
Yoel Romero: 36 of 77

That's your definition of close? Bobby was on queer street and outstruck by a huge margin. That's the difference between 1 and 3, Yoel clearly lost round 1 but was never hurt, there was no Impact, whereas in round 3 there was clearly Impact to the strikes Yoel landed. You are focusing on 1 of the criteria and forgetting the others. Romero had all 3 criteria in rounds 3 and 5, Bobby never had more than 1 of the criteria in rounds 1, 2, or 4 so they can't be 10-8 as it requires a minimum of 2 of the criteria.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

When I saw it i though Yoel won, but it's by no means a robbery, Yoel did not convincingly win 3 rounds so it was anybody's fight.

I would say he clearly lost 3 rounds, and clearly won the fight still. Not 1 judge giving round 5 a 10-8 is possibly the worst round scored of all time in a title fight.

 

[chinarice]

Round 3 stats ...

Sig. Strikes:
Robert Whittaker: 18 of 42
Yoel Romero: 36 of 77

That's your definition of close? Bobby was on queer street and outstruck by a huge margin. That's the difference between 1 and 3, Yoel clearly lost round 1 but was never hurt, there was no Impact, whereas in round 3 there was clearly Impact to the strikes Yoel landed. You are focusing on 1 of the criteria and forgetting the others. Romero had all 3 criteria in rounds 3 and 5, Bobby never had more than 1 of the criteria in rounds 1, 2, or 4 so they can't be 10-8 as it requires a minimum of 2 of the criteria.

I can't fathom round 3 being 10-8, having watched MMA for 20 years.... I don't think it was dominant at all. He had a great moment he hurt Whittaker but it was not a lopsided round and I don't think Whittaker was close to being finished....

Yoel did absolutely nothing in round 1. That is just as justifiable a 10-8 round. He was nothing more than a punching bag for the entire round. We don't have damage meters so we have no way of knowing how much Whittaker was hurting him.

 

[ChucksGlassJaw]

I really don't like either fighter. Romero is a cheat and his pace is boring af because he gasses. Whitaker is well-rounded, but his tools are boring.

I had Whitaker winning. Romero just didn't do enough, even when Whitaker was hurt.

 

[det_regnar_på_vår_kärlek]

Thank you.

Gotta love people calling for a 10-8 round in round 3 yet Whittaker dominated round 1. Yoel did nothing and was hit a million times. Round 3 was no where near a 10-8.

Round 5 could have been a 10-8. The 10-7 claims are ridiculous though.

Romero was never in danger in round 1, wasn't dropped, wasn't put on rubber legs, didn't absorb significant damage, fight was never close to being stopped. There's no argument to claim that round 1 was 10-8.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

I can't fathom round 3 being 10-8, having watched MMA for 20 years

No offense but that is your problem. The past 20 years is meaningless, as I keep saying there are brand new rules in effect. I posted the rules. Round 3 and 5 necessitate 10-8, anything less and the Judges are making up their own rules. Forget everything you know about scoring, it's all changed.

Yoel did absolutely nothing in round 1

Which is meaningless, as I said, I posted the rules, there are 3 criteria for 10-8, you MUST achieve 2 of them. Bobby only achieved 1 of them in round 1. If you achieve all 3, the round must be 10-8 by rule.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

https://www.mmafighting.com/2016/8/...-changes-to-mma-scoring-criteria-new-rules-in

Yoel almost finished BK in rounds 3 and 5, that means YR checks all 3 boxes in both rounds and by definition they MUST be 10-8 rounds.

Honestly I find it disappointing that after all the talk about this we seem to be back to the dodgy old situation where 10-8 rounds being given or not has a whiff of favouritism to them.

Colby a guy the UFC wants to push gets them for doing very little to Kim for example, Romero a guy who's missed weight and can't become champ doesn't get them for nearly finishing his opponent.

 

[Ken Fresno]

By both the circumstances surrounding the fight, and objective use of the 10-point must system, this is one of the clearest cases for a draw you’ll ever see.

47-47

Any argument is clearly biased.