Media Who was the trainer giving insider tips to bettors on ufc fights?

[2004 account]

Guest asks Rogan "are you allowed to bet on fights"...and Rogan starts his response with "I gotta be very careful..."

Very interesting video that goes into the ufc betting scandal that never was because it flew under the radar and nobody really talked about it...at least not to my knowledge


Apparently there was a trainer droppin dime and helping bettors win by tipping them on what fighter was injured or compromised.

 

[reddhelium]

James Krause

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id...coach-james-krause-worked-offshore-sportsbook

 

[2004 account]

James Krause

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id...coach-james-krause-worked-offshore-sportsbook

Im a sherdog vet as in i read the news every single day, of course i knew about James Krause but I dont remember reading that he was tipping about injuries....this is what I knew

"Krause also has publicly acknowledged being part of an online betting group that employed sophisticated tactics, including taking over other bettors' sportsbook accounts to circumvent betting limits."


So my question still stands, who was that trainer, or pls provide article where it states that he was insider tipping. If it was Krause who Joe Rogan was referencing then did he just reveal something new that the public didnt know about the case before?

 

[Kryptt]

Im a sherdog vet, of course i knew about James Krause, but I dont remeber reading that he was tipping about injuries....this is what I knew

"Krause also has publicly acknowledged being part of an online betting group that employed sophisticated tactics, including taking over other bettors' sportsbook accounts to circumvent betting limits."


So my question still stands, who was that trainer, or pls provide article where it states that he was insider tipping. If it was Krause who Joe Rogan was referencing then did he just reveal something new that the public didnt know about the case before?

Close as I could find

Per ESPN, who acquired screenshots of posts made by Molina, the fighter embarked on an effort to recruit prospective bettors to sign up for the betting service and account takeovers.

“He’s trained [with a] lot of the fighters, lives and breathes this sport as a coach/fighter, [and] at times has the scoop on injuries – non-announced matchups – how fighters look like in camp, etc,” Molina wrote, as transcribed by ESPN. “In stocks this is called insider trading in MMA betting it’s called James Krause. For the last six months all my bills including mortgage and car note have been paid via Krause’s picks. Do yourself a favor and join the VIP.”

Report: James Krause Revealed as Agent for Offshore Book, Hailed as MMA ‘Insider Trading’

Former Ultimate Fighting Championship fighter James Krause is about to find himself in a heap of trouble.

www.sherdog.com

 

[loisestrad]

Im a sherdog vet

No, you aren't. Your join date is april 2018.

I would say that probably 2013-14 is the join date you would have to have to claim to be a "sherdog vet".

 

[azerty]

Im a sherdog vet, of course i knew about James Krause, but I dont remeber reading that he was tipping about injuries....this is what I knew

"Krause also has publicly acknowledged being part of an online betting group that employed sophisticated tactics, including taking over other bettors' sportsbook accounts to circumvent betting limits."


So my question still stands, who was that trainer, or pls provide article where it states that he was insider tipping. If it was Krause who Joe Rogan was referencing then did he just reveal something new that the public didnt know about the case before?

one of his fighters, derrick milner iirc, came in injured and basicaly got tko'd right away, so...if you know you guy is injured and you bet for other people using their accounts, isn't it basicaly tipping about injuries, could also say it's just plainly fixing fights
anyway rogan most likely talking about Krause

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

 

[2004 account]

Close as I could find

Per ESPN, who acquired screenshots of posts made by Molina, the fighter embarked on an effort to recruit prospective bettors to sign up for the betting service and account takeovers.

“He’s trained [with a] lot of the fighters, lives and breathes this sport as a coach/fighter, [and] at times has the scoop on injuries – non-announced matchups – how fighters look like in camp, etc,” Molina wrote, as transcribed by ESPN. “In stocks this is called insider trading in MMA betting it’s called James Krause. For the last six months all my bills including mortgage and car note have been paid via Krause’s picks. Do yourself a favor and join the VIP.”

Report: James Krause Revealed as Agent for Offshore Book, Hailed as MMA ‘Insider Trading’

Former Ultimate Fighting Championship fighter James Krause is about to find himself in a heap of trouble.

www.sherdog.com

there ya go, thanks...

thats the part i needed to know and hadnt read before about this case...

very telling and all but one still wonders why ufc employees were ever allowed to bet on fights before if its illegal in sports in general?

 

[StonedLemur]

No, you aren't. Your join date is april 2018.

I would say that probably 2013-14 is the join date you would have to have to claim to be a "sherdog vet".

You really add fuck all to this site huh?

 

[PaddyO'malley]

This is a really good conversation clip. Never thought I'd hear betting fraud, Carl Jung, Human Intelligence, Vince McMahon's scat fetish, and the ethics of swearing around old ladies brought up in the same conversation. What a roller coaster fam.

 

[Kryptt]

why ufc employees were ever allowed to bet on fights before if its illegal in sports in general?

It's a very odd situation and regulations are all over the place.

This is ESPN's stand.

Are ESPN employees allowed to bet?

The headline-grabbing rules are that ESPN employees may not “place bets on games or events you are assigned to work or cover” and that “Talent designated as Reporters and Insiders are prohibited from placing, soliciting, or facilitating any bet on the properties (e.g., NFL, college football, NBA) they regularly cover.”
~Nov 13, 2023.

Seems Legit...

 

[2004 account]

No, you aren't. Your join date is april 2018.

I would say that probably 2013-14 is the join date you would have to have to claim to be a "sherdog vet".

Wow use your common sense buddy, you really think that because my account says 2018 that I couldn't possibly have registered before and got banned?

What 2018 newb has a personal picture alongside Fedor from his Trump tower affliction press conference from like 2009/10?


Huge lack of critical thinking there on your part lol probably a lefty and a Jon jones fan too

Do you take everything that you are told at face value like "Biden got 80 million votes and the covid vaccine prevents getting covid" too?

 

[Luthien]

The dude that banged Sanko and Megan Anderson <LeeOne01>

 

[loisestrad]

Wow use your common sense buddy, you really think that because my account says 2018 that I couldn't possibly have registered before and got banned?

What 2018 newb has a personal picture alongside Fedor from his Trump tower affliction press conference from like 2009/10?


Huge lack of critical thinking there on your part lol probably a lefty and a Jon jones fan too

 

[NoSmilez]

Glory MMA James Krause. He isn't a bad trainer considering he had quite a decent stable. He screwed a lot of fighters when he got banned. Flat earth hillbilly doesn't have a gym to train at.

 

[Liverkick-king56]

Krause was a damn good coach too he even seemed to improve as a fighter after coaching despite showing up out of fight shape.
One of those guys that seemed to understand the sport at every level and everybody that trained under him got better (not everybody is cut out for titles but they still improved). Krause could've fought half committed like he was and probably build a respectable gym to live out a comfortable life but it's insane he decided to let his fighters fight injured for betting purposes.

 

[Koro_11]

No, you aren't. Your join date is april 2018.

I would say that probably 2013-14 is the join date you would have to have to claim to be a "sherdog vet".

 

[Safton]

one of his fighters, derrick milner iirc, came in injured and basicaly got tko'd right away, so...if you know you guy is injured and you bet for other people using their accounts, isn't it basicaly tipping about injuries, could also say it's just plainly fixing fights
anyway rogan most likely talking about Krause

This is the one that really caught the wrong kind of attention for Krause's "alleged" little scheme. Minner and Nuerdanbieke were both low-level Prelim Featherweights that no one gave a shit about. The latter opened up as a 2-to-1 favorite and the betting line stayed pretty stable... until a couple of hours before closing when out of fucking nowhere a massive amount of money came in on Nuerdanbieke, with a lot of people betting on him to win specifically via 1st round TKO. This is despite the fact that Nuerdanbieke hadn't finished any of his UFC opponents to date and hadn't stopped anyone via strikes in several years since back when he was on the Chinese regional scene. Regardless he closed as like a -450 favorite over the American fighter.

Fight starts and what do you know? Minner's knee immediately locks up before the two even really go at it and Nuerdanbieke pounces on him to finish with GnP... scoring an early 1st round TKO stoppage. Pretty much every sportsbook, the NSAC, and even the feds cried foul right away.

 

[shunyata]

Very interesting video that goes into the ufc betting scandal that never was because it flew under the radar and nobody really talked about it...at least not to my knowledge

This is bullshit, it did not fly under the radar at all. It was a huge scandal and was all over the boards.

Him and his entire gym got banned from the UFC, he was leaking info about his own guys when they were going into a fight injured.

Jimmy Kraus was the Pete Rose of MMA and his gym is basically dead because anyone who wants to fight as a pro had to cut ties with him or be banned with him.

 

[2004 account]

This is bullshit, it was a huge scandal and was all over the boards.

Him and his entire gym got banned from the UFC, he was leaking info about his own guys when they were going into a fight injured.

Jimmy Kraus was the Pete Rose of MMA and his gym is basically dead because anyone who wants to fight as a pro had to cut ties with him or be banned with him.

Ok yes, I stand corrected...I hadn't connected the dots nor read specific info on the insider tipping part. My bad.