Who has better kicks than Shevchenko?

[TheHotorious]

Any male fighters, including ones who have never thrown a kick.

in terms of WMMA, then she is probably the best with Holm

Ben Askren? Cm Punk?

 

[stav]

Wonderboy
McGregor
Aldo
Pettis
Overeem
Cowboy
Yair
Barboza
Israel adesanya
Anderson Silva
Machida

And many many new fighters i forget the names.

Its more harder to shine in the deeper and way more agressive dangerous male divisions.

It’s not about shining it’s about having the right movement.

Having great technique doesn’t even mean you can fight.

shit you can train a professional dancer to shadow box like a pro.

Think of it like a freestyle footballer that can juggle.

They have amazing ball skills but can’t play on the big stage.

valentina throws kicks with amazing technical skill that is all the TS is saying.

he is not making comments on her fighting ability compared to men.

and he is right.

 

[Frode Falch]

It’s not about shining it’s about having the right movement.

Having great technique doesn’t even mean you can fight.

shit you can train a professional dancer to shadow box like a pro.

Think of it like a freestyle footballer that can juggle.

They have amazing ball skills but can’t play on the big stage.

valentina throws kicks with amazing technical skill that is all the TS is saying.

he is not making comments on her fighting ability compared to men.

and he is right.

Lets ageee to disagree then

 

[aerius]

Wonderboy
McGregor
Aldo
Pettis
Overeem
Cowboy
Yair
Barboza
Israel adesanya
Anderson Silva
Machida

And many many new fighters i forget the names.

Its more harder to shine in the deeper and way more agressive dangerous male divisions.

Wonderboy I'll give you.

McGregor has nice spinning kicks and decent front kicks, but his round kicks are weak. Overall, not as good as Val. Pettis, Overeem, Cowboy, and Barboza are all useless at kicking under pressure, none of them can kick on the retreat. Yair is a kick spammer who can't setup or land a kick to save his life unless it's against a 50 year old BJ Penn. Other than the Belfort KO, Anderson has been pretty unremarkable with his kicks, plus his timing & setups are questionable, winding up and throwing naked low kicks straight into Weidman's shin is not something a good kicker does.

So now we're down to Aldo, Izzy, and Machida. All 3 of them at their best have good timing, setups, and placement on their kicks. Aldo however has a limited arsenal of kicks so he's out of the picture. Machida has good front kicks & round kicks, but he has difficulty working off the back foot (see Shogun fights) though not as bad as Pettis & Barboza. Speaking of Shogun, though he's limited to round kicks he was actually one of the best kickers in his prime. He had fast powerful kicks that could land from damn near anywhere, and he could kick well while on the retreat.

As for Izzy, he looks like he has it all but my problem with him is he has a glaring tell on his kicks if you know where to look, and Anderson Silva did. There's a reason Anderson was able to duck under or evade almost every head kick that Adesanya threw at him. Watch the feet, Israel has a setup step before throwing his kicks, it's always step, plant, kick, he doesn't have Valentina's ability to throw a zero telegraph kick.

 

[Frode Falch]

Wonderboy I'll give you.

McGregor has nice spinning kicks and decent front kicks, but his round kicks are weak. Overall, not as good as Val. Pettis, Overeem, Cowboy, and Barboza are all useless at kicking under pressure, none of them can kick on the retreat. Yair is a kick spammer who can't setup or land a kick to save his life unless it's against a 50 year old BJ Penn. Other than the Belfort KO, Anderson has been pretty unremarkable with his kicks, plus his timing & setups are questionable, winding up and throwing naked low kicks straight into Weidman's shin is not something a good kicker does.

So now we're down to Aldo, Izzy, and Machida. All 3 of them at their best have good timing, setups, and placement on their kicks. Aldo however has a limited arsenal of kicks so he's out of the picture. Machida has good front kicks & round kicks, but he has difficulty working off the back foot (see Shogun fights) though not as bad as Pettis & Barboza. Speaking of Shogun, though he's limited to round kicks he was actually one of the best kickers in his prime. He had fast powerful kicks that could land from damn near anywhere, and he could kick well while on the retreat.

As for Izzy, he looks like he has it all but my problem with him is he has a glaring tell on his kicks if you know where to look, and Anderson Silva did. There's a reason Anderson was able to duck under or evade almost every head kick that Adesanya threw at him. Watch the feet, Israel has a setup step before throwing his kicks, it's always step, plant, kick, he doesn't have Valentina's ability to throw a zero telegraph kick.

Tip of the day: check out Israel kickboxing fights

 

[markys00]

Easy to throw flashy kicks with zero power. Same as having "great cardio" but not committing to anything. Sheeva is nowhere near best in MMA. WMMA? Yes. MMA? Hell no. Wouldn't recommend Any male to learn from her. You also can't compare 125 kicks to HW kicks. Sure, the small guys "look" more technical, but to me technical means it fucking works. HWs win. So let's meet somewhere in the middle. Probably a prime Also, Thompson, Barboza and CroCop. CCs are good regardless of weight and the fact he does it at HW is more impressive.

WMMA is a whole different sport. Sheeva and Joanna easily take it. All I know is Sheeva is severely overrated due to her no name competition. And similar to Gus, her claim to fame is losing close fights to GOATs.

Working and technical are not the same. A sloppy punch that KOs someone is not technical. Silly thing to say and you know it

 

[Max Power]

Predictably the Cro Cop nerds have infested this thread. I guess KOing Alberto Del Rio 15 years ago is what counts for the "best".

Anyway, the correct answer is Conor. Floyd was lucky he fought the GOAT in a boxing match.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Joe Rogan in particular is a guy who feels compelled to compare WMMA to men's MMA, and it is counterproductive. Shevchenko has impressive kicks. She's the best female kicker. Enough said.

He did it with Rousey to an absurd extent, but also with Joanna and now with Bullet. Instead of comparing her to her female peers and pointing out that she has the best striking technique p4p of any female in the UFC, he opens up a category of comparison where she can't truly compete.

If you want women's sports to thrive, and Joe seems to want that, let it be its own thing and exclude males who transition to females.

 

[Shoguns Prodigy**]

Marlon def has the best switch head kick RN.

 

[snugglecakes]

How can anyone fight thru gif 3 liver shot? I’ve taken those and been done for a week afterwards.

Cause it’s wmma, so you just remove 99.999 percent of the power

 

[LastBlood]

 

[Fossor]

 

[Fesaine]

Yair rodriguez

 

[Tapatio]

How about Edson frikkin Barboza


Probably not as much power as an WMMA participant tho

Barbosa has the best technique and a the greatest switch kick in mma history.

 

[johndhi]

not sure why people are incapable of discussing the topic here. obviously there are plenty of male fighters with more power in their kicks. but from a kind of 'pound for pound' perspective, and as far as developing skills for the body you have, yeah I think val is absolutely one of the top few in MMA there.