Who ever from MW or lower do you envision to outwrestle current Chimaev?

[fortheo]

Imma have to pause on that chief their submission and grappling game is ass compared to Alieskerov. Their TDD is also worse(I doubt Rick Story is taking down Alieskerov lets forget about Koscheck). He also has a much greater variety of Takedowns like reals trips and throws along with his double and single legs tho Hendricks might be more explosive on the double blast but lets not kid ourselves as many agree Hendricks matched GSP in wrestling with some saying he outwrestled him. But you have missed the BIGGEST factor that Alieskerov is significantly bigger and stronger than all 3 of them and like I repeated before grappling with a bigger person that is also skilled is not a good time. And Khamzat is still the better wrestler than Alieskarov imo so based on my griginal opiniom Khamzat > Alieskarov > GSP~Hendricks > Josh Koshcheck

Matt Hughes has almost more subs than aliskerov has wins, and Hughes subbed black belts like Ricardo Almeida and gsp, and wrestler/grapplers like trigg and riggs. Bro, come on. Aliskerov hasn't shown half of what Hughes showed. He is certainly bigger, though

 

[cburm]

I think usmen beats him at 170 I also think Islam beats him at 170... Khamzats boxing never looks good when he's matched with a good striker..

Islam and usmen both have hands and usmen only needs a camp and 5 rounds as he's proven.

 

[Pitier of Fools]

GSP would keep the fight standing and put on a 25 minute jab fest.

 

[HP_Nut]

In pure wrestling, not MMA wrestling, prime Romero absolutely could. Romero was literally a world champion wrestler (1999) & Olympic silver medalist (2000). Khamzat might train with a Olympic gold medalist, it doesn't mean Khamzat's wrestling is equal to that of a Olympic gold medalist

I think GSP could be competitive as well, GSP really had special wrestling. And considering GSP didn't even come from a wrestling base, that's pretty crazy how he dominated in the wrestling against some very accomplished wrestlers like Koscheck (NCAA champ)

 

[wisdom blows]

Not sure about out wrestling him but I believe prime Hendo can keep it on the feet and ko Khamzat.

Hendo couldn’t stay on his feet against Jake Shields lol

 

[cws80us]

Usman with a full camp to prepare might be interesting. On 2 weeks notice he got dominated in the 1st but found his footing in the 2nd and 3rd and was competitive. He's been in there with him and knows what to expect, so with a full camp, he might be able to gameplan enough to make it close.

 

[alchemy]

From the current Middleweight roster the hardest fight for Khamzat would probably be Robocop.

World champion-level BJJ (Burns level), huge size (larger than Khamzat).

Khamzat would 100% have his hands full in this fight.

 

[agibmxmma]

Well it's been well documented that Khabib has tapped out Khamzat in a full sparring session (striking included). Which also led to Khamzat apologizing to Khabib's camp for the past issues, in another documented sit down. Islam and GSP at 170, Romero at 185, of the list you placed, I believe would give Khamzat a go in outwrestling him.. at their peaks within career.

 

[Dark C3PO]

Imma have to pause on that chief their submission and grappling game is ass compared to Alieskerov. Their TDD is also worse(I doubt Rick Story is taking down Alieskerov lets forget about Koscheck). He also has a much greater variety of Takedowns like reals trips and throws along with his double and single legs tho Hendricks might be more explosive on the double blast but lets not kid ourselves as many agree Hendricks matched GSP in wrestling with some saying he outwrestled him. But you have missed the BIGGEST factor that Alieskerov is significantly bigger and stronger than all 3 of them and like I repeated before grappling with a bigger person that is also skilled is not a good time. And Khamzat is still the better wrestler than Alieskarov imo so based on my griginal opiniom Khamzat > Alieskarov > GSP~Hendricks > Josh Koshcheck

GSP and Hendricks wrestled each other to a stalemate despite this being post-ACL surgery, past prime GSP.

Let's agree to disagree, in my opinion time will expose the truth about Chimaev

 

[agibmxmma]

Would have loved to see him take on Rousimar Palhares. They are basically the same person from opposite sides of the world.

+1

 

[188912345]

Well it's been well documented that Khabib has tapped out Khamzat in a full sparring session (striking included).

That's news to me.

I saw some clip taken from some Russian interview about someone claiming Khabib submitting him with a triangle during grappling sparring, but never heard anything about striking sparring.

 

[hector domino]

Matt Hughes has almost more subs than aliskerov has wins, and Hughes subbed black belts like Ricardo Almeida and gsp, and wrestler/grapplers like trigg and riggs. Bro, come on. Aliskerov hasn't shown half of what Hughes showed. He is certainly bigger, though

fuck I was hoping the other dude wont bring up hughes and dismantles my argument. Alright I concede but I still think Size difference is a bit too much and is a lot more apparent in grappling

 

[Jihad-MMA]

Islam might be the one assuming the fight takes place at 170. Fully-powered Islam against Emaciated Khamzat.

 

[Tweak896]

GSP would get clipped before getting the take down. George is too small.

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Yeah I think GSP was great for his time, but also think people forget how much of a well rounded fighter he was vs a wrestling specialist. GSP mixed things in better than anyone else, but he also stuck to winning the against the opponent's weakness. If you judge his wrestling only, who did he takedown that would be even comparable to Khamzat's level of TDD?

Keep in mind, Ivan Menjivar, Hughes, Jason Miller, BJ Penn, Koshcheck, and Hendricks were all able to takedown GSP in the UFC. Here's the top fighters GSP took down (probably can move around order)....

1. Hendricks (also taken down by Koscheck, Pierce, Story, Brenneman, Funch, Serdyukov, and Haskins)
2. Koscheck (also taken down by Dave Menne, Pierce, Hendricks)
3. Fitch (also taken down by Diego Sanchez, Roan Carneiro, Thiago Alves, Josh Burkman, Brock Larson, Jeff Joslin)
4. Shields (also taken down by Jason Miller, Okami, Verissimo, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Maia)
5. Alves (also taken down by Hughes, Karo, Lytle, Kuniyoshi Hironaka, Fitch)
6. Hughes (also taken down by Sherk, Trigg, Alves, Matt Serra)

There's lots of context lost though by who controlled who and who GSP controlled. Most of the times GSP controlled his opponents much greater than the other one's who took the same guys down. Also many weren't taken down because they preferred to stand to knock them out, like Koscheck. Still, BJ Penn was able to defend alot in the first fight. Also I would remove guys like Sherk, BJ Penn, Serra, from consideration because they wouldn't even be a LW in today's UFC. I'd even argue the guys GSP took down would've probably been LWs in modern UFC, but so would GSP.

I'd say Khabib or Islam would be the biggest threat to Khamzat. Hopefully when Islam wins WW title, that Khamzat can make it one more time for a superfight there. I think that would be the best fight to make in UFC right now.

 

[pankrat]

Yeah I think GSP was great for his time, but also think people forget how much of a well rounded fighter he was vs a wrestling specialist. GSP mixed things in better than anyone else, but he also stuck to winning the against the opponent's weakness. If you judge his wrestling only, who did he takedown that would be even comparable to Khamzat's level of TDD?

Keep in mind, Ivan Menjivar, Hughes, Jason Miller, BJ Penn, Koshcheck, and Hendricks were all able to takedown GSP in the UFC. Here's the top fighters GSP took down (probably can move around order)....

1. Hendricks (also taken down by Koscheck, Pierce, Story, Brenneman, Funch, Serdyukov, and Haskins)
2. Koscheck (also taken down by Dave Menne, Pierce, Hendricks)
3. Fitch (also taken down by Diego Sanchez, Roan Carneiro, Thiago Alves, Josh Burkman, Brock Larson, Jeff Joslin)
4. Shields (also taken down by Jason Miller, Okami, Verissimo, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Maia)
5. Alves (also taken down by Hughes, Karo, Lytle, Kuniyoshi Hironaka, Fitch)
6. Hughes (also taken down by Sherk, Trigg, Alves, Matt Serra)

There's lots of context lost though by who controlled who and who GSP controlled. Most of the times GSP controlled his opponents much greater than the other one's who took the same guys down. Also many weren't taken down because they preferred to stand to knock them out, like Koscheck. Still, BJ Penn was able to defend alot in the first fight. Also I would remove guys like Sherk, BJ Penn, Serra, from consideration because they wouldn't even be a LW in today's UFC. I'd even argue the guys GSP took down would've probably been LWs in modern UFC, but so would GSP.

I'd say Khabib or Islam would be the biggest threat to Khamzat. Hopefully when Islam wins WW title, that Khamzat can make it one more time for a superfight there. I think that would be the best fight to make in UFC right now.

No, they would not be LWs in modern UFC

 

[oldschoolmmafan]

Gsp. Hell Lawler was never on his back much from memory either.

 

[Jeffery09]

Ah yes, "anyone who disagrees with me is a retard". The old tried and true.

Maybe you're right. Maybe you're not. I think you're vastly over-estimating Khamzat's abilities if you consider him the best MMA wrestler.

I am not overestimating it but it is a fact.

When he was in Jaxxon gym for that one month he was training with Pat Downey. Who was a US national Champion. Chael and Weidman don´t even have the same wrestling creds as Pat Downey. Chimaev has been training with the absolute best.

Chimaev is a better wrestler then Both it is not even up for debat.

 

[Jeffery09]

One more thing to notice is that GSP was outwrestled by Johny Hendricks. He would have no chance against Chimaev period

 

[McSpikes]

He would probably end up having a boring kickboxing fight with Maia.