Opinion Who are US allies?

[HereticBD]

And if US was in Asia it would be a chinese colony

That's what the Brits thought...

 

[The XL]

Maybe the us should stop fucking shit up around the world.
Eu takes the hit on the refugees pouring into to Europe.
Will the us start taking its share of refugees?

Maybe the EU should just do the smart thing and not take them in the first place.

 

[oldshadow]

Why do you think the US has the political influence that it does?

Peruse we are feared due to our economic and miltary power.

Tell me how being the world police has turned Out since after WW2. Korea, Vetinam or anywhere in the middle east where we were stupid enough to try and police and "bring democracy".

 

[Koro_11]

Lol@naming Countries with US blockades, and global economic trade sanctions on them imposed by the US, who dont like their leadership.

If you're going to make the case against Communism, at least act like you know which Countries are failing "because Communism" who arent having gross interventionism imposed on them.

Yeah, that’s why they’re hell holes. Communism totally works, it just hasn’t been done properly yet, right?

Moron.

 

[Koro_11]

Get sick in the US and go bankrupt cause you have to pay thru your nose for medical bills (yey "free market").
Or work 2 jobs just to pay rent.
Agreed, US is barely better than Cuba or Venezuela.

North Korea isnt communist - its totalitarianism.

Yet absolutely no one is moving from the US to live in those countries, while everyone in those countries wants to come to the US.

 

[panamaican]

Then I have no problem if he forces them to do their share while we cut back.

Let me ask a much simpler question -- do you think the US should be the dominant power in the world, geopolitically and economically?

 

[Fanu]

Yet absolutely no one is moving from the US to live in those countries, while everyone in those countries wants to come to the US.

1) the only ones moving to US from these countries are dirt poor families and criminals with nothing to lose
for them, things cant get worse so what is there to lose? at least they are guaranteed a meal every day even tho they will work their asses off on some field picking cabbage all day

people with some brains arent going to want to move to a country that is xenophobic and threatens to kick you out depending on Trumps mood of the day

2) american dream wont last for long - US has moved on from "country of the people" to country of the rich (if you're rich you live in a gated community and you have get out of jail free card) - you're becoming less and less desirable with each day
I guess thats what right wingers want - but that also means living and working conditions have to improve immensely for people living in US or the whole thing falls apart.

 

[aerius]

Let me ask a much simpler question -- do you think the US should be the dominant power in the world, geopolitically and economically?

Absolutely not. You guys are unqualified to be a world leader. Morally, culturally, economically, and in most other ways, you set a very poor example for the rest of the world.

 

[Koro_11]

1) the only ones moving to US from these countries are dirt poor families and criminals with nothing to lose
for them, things cant get worse so what is there to lose? at least they are guaranteed a meal every day even tho they will work their asses off on some field picking cabbage all day

people with some brains arent going to want to move to a country that is xenophobic and threatens to kick you out depending on Trumps mood of the day

2) american dream wont last for long - US has moved on from "country of the people" to country of the rich (if you're rich you live in a gated community and you have get out of jail free card) - you're becoming less and less desirable with each day
I guess thats what right wingers want - but that also means living and working conditions have to improve immensely for people living in US or the whole thing falls apart.

1. The thing is, just about everyone in those countries is dirt poor and has nothing to lose, I've spent 3 years of my life in Cuba and I can tell you that it's not just the criminals trying to get out, if anything the guys who are selling cigars on the black market or doing shady dealings like re-selling goods from Russia and Mexico at quadruple the price, are the only ones making any kind of money. The educated and law abiding Cubans are the worst off as they have no hope for a better future.

Xenophobic? Have you ever been to any other country? How do you suppose the average Chinese or Russian looks at a person of a different race in their country? How do you suppose you'd fare in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia if you wanted Christian of Jewish rights there? If anything US is one of the least xenophobic countries, only a clueless and uneducated fool who's never been anywhere else would think otherwise.

2. American dream, or capitalism, is the only system that actually improves the lives of it's citizens. If you can't stand the fact that in such a system some people are gonna be way richer than you, then you're driven by nothing but envy. I've lived on 3 continents, and places like US/Canada is the only place that actually gives you any chance to climb the ladder and make something out of nothing.

A 2007 account, and you're thinking like a teenager, instead of learning to put things in perspective and being grateful. Absolute disgrace.

 

[panamaican]

Absolutely not. You guys are unqualified to be a world leader. Morally, culturally, economically, and in most other ways, you set a very poor example for the rest of the world.

You would say that from the outside looking in, lol. In my opinion, as an American, I'd rather it's us than anyone else.

 

[Koro_11]

Let me ask a much simpler question -- do you think the US should be the dominant power in the world, geopolitically and economically?

Ya that's pretty "simple" that's for sure.

Let me ask you a simple question then, do you think a tiger should be the dominant predator in it's habitat?

The funny thing about power, when the most powerful guy is taken down, another powerful guy just takes his place. So yeah, I guess every country should try to be as powerful as they possibly can, and improve the lives of their own citizens as much as they possibly can. That's really all a government's job should be, to improve the lives of it's own citizens, just like my job is to provide the best life possible for my own kids. Now would I like that all the kids in the world have great lives? Without a doubt.... BUT not at the expense of my own kids.

 

[JonnyBonesPharmacist]

We have people pouring into this country from all over the world though. I'm not sure you have much of a gripe here.

Had

 

[Prutfis]

2. American dream, or capitalism, is the only system that actually improves the lives of it's citizens. If you can't stand the fact that in such a system some people are gonna be way richer than you, then you're driven by nothing but envy. I've lived on 3 continents, and places like US/Canada is the only place that actually gives you any chance to climb the ladder and make something out of nothing.

The Us Ranks 27th in social mobility.
The American dream is doing better in 26 other countries

 

[Koro_11]

The Us Ranks 27th in social mobility.
The American dream is doing better in 26 other countries

By what metric?

 

[Fanu]

1. The thing is, just about everyone in those countries is dirt poor and has nothing to lose, I've spent 3 years of my life in Cuba and I can tell you that it's not just the criminals trying to get out, if anything the guys who are selling cigars on the black market or doing shady dealings like re-selling goods from Russia and Mexico at quadruple the price, are the only ones making any kind of money. The educated and law abiding Cubans are the worst off as they have no hope for a better future.

Xenophobic? Have you ever been to any other country? How do you suppose the average Chinese or Russian looks at a person of a different race in their country? How do you suppose you'd fare in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia if you wanted Christian of Jewish rights there? If anything US is one of the least xenophobic countries, only a clueless and uneducated fool who's never been anywhere else would think otherwise.

2. American dream, or capitalism, is the only system that actually improves the lives of it's citizens. If you can't stand the fact that in such a system some people are gonna be way richer than you, then you're driven by nothing but envy. I've lived on 3 continents, and places like US/Canada is the only place that actually gives you any chance to climb the ladder and make something out of nothing.

A 2007 account, and you're thinking like a teenager, instead of learning to put things in perspective and being grateful. Absolute disgrace.

There are over 600 million people living in central and south america (areas where most immigrants come to US from) - if everyone there wanted to get to US you'd be done for - but no. you dont see brasilian or Chilean middle class risking their lives to come to US

Trumps whole campaign was based on immigration fear mongering and he won on that platform - sounds pretty xenophobic to me (remember the whole JD Vance "they're eating the dogs in our neighborhoods and raping our women"? fukcin lmao)..

Btw why mention russia as xenophobic considering its a huge country with bunch of different ethnicities and religions (last time I checked, practicing Islam or Christianity isnt forbidden in Russia)?

And Ive been to China twice - I am not Chinese yet I was treated with nothing but respect (and there are shitload of travel blogs by foreigners in China who were treated the same).

Also you make it out to be as if US was some diversity champion, conveniently ignoring most of europe, australia, thailand and south american nations.


you can also climb the ladder in most western countries and be well off without having to work 60+ hour weeks lmao.

 

[panamaican]

Ya that's pretty "simple" that's for sure.

Let me ask you a simple question then, do you think a tiger should be the dominant predator in it's habitat?

The funny thing about power, when the most powerful guy is taken down, another powerful guy just takes his place. So yeah, I guess every country should try to be as powerful as they possibly can, and improve the lives of their own citizens as much as they possibly can. That's really all a government's job should be, to improve the lives of it's own citizens, just like my job is to provide the best life possible for my own kids. Now would I like that all the kids in the world have great lives? Without a doubt.... BUT not at the expense of my own kids.

Yes...if I'm the tiger. No...if I'm the zebra.

But your main paragraph is exactly the point I was making previously. Right now, we're the most powerful guy and other countries defer to us because of it. But part of being the most powerful guy is that it comes with more responsibilities. If we don't want the responsibilities, that's fine, but it also means we don't get to be the most powerful guy either.

As you note, someone will take our place. And right now, the most likely successor is China. Me, personally, I don't want China becoming the most powerful nation on the planet. They'll use their power to force concessions out of us if we're geopolitically isolated. And if we cede our power over smaller countries by alienating them then eventually it becomes a big enough bloc to harm us.

We're not at that point. But we know China has a plan for getting us there. We have to stay ahead of that.

 

[Koro_11]

There are over 600 million people living in central and south america (areas where most immigrants come to US from) - if everyone there wanted to get to US you'd be done for - but no. you dont see brasilian or Chilean middle class risking their lives to come to US

Trumps whole campaign was based on immigration fear mongering and he won on that platform - sounds pretty xenophobic to me (remember the whole JD Vance "they're eating the dogs in our neighborhoods and raping our women"? fukcin lmao)..

Btw why mention russia as xenophobic considering its a huge country with bunch of different ethnicities and religions (last time I checked, practicing Islam or Christianity isnt forbidden in Russia)?

And Ive been to China twice - I am not Chinese yet I was treated with nothing but respect (and there are shitload of travel blogs by foreigners in China who were treated the same).

Also you make it out to be as if US was some diversity champion, conveniently ignoring most of europe, australia and south american nations.


you can also climb the ladder in most western countries and be well off without having to work 60+ hour weeks lmao.

So now you've jumped from Communist countries to Chile and Brazil.

Are you too dense to separate immigration from ILLEGAL immigration? Seriously, lets stay on this point for a minute, do you think a country is obligated to let whoever wants to just walk across their border? I myself am an immigrant, I was still young when I arrived, but my parents had to go through a 2 year process to migrate to Canada. My wife is also an immigrant, from Cuba of all places, and she had to wait FIVE YEARS. So not only am I not against immigration, I owe most of what I have to immigration, but LEGAL immigration. Are you too dense to separate legal from illegal?

You visiting a poorer country as a tourist and spending your gringo dollars there is a lot different than you coming into that country illegally and trying to leech of the system and committing crimes in said country.

I don't work 60 hours a week, I have a small business, I work outside and I live in Canada so I basically don't work at all for about 3 months of the year due to the cold. I make a solid living basically working 5-6 hours per day, and only about 200 days of the year... and that's despite Justin Turdo doing all he can to destroy the country, so really I could be doing even better if the place was LESS socialist.

You're a grown man, and you're thinking like a clueless college kid in a Che Guevara t shirt.

 

[freakroor]

Maybe the us should stop fucking shit up around the world.

The world has always been, and always will be a fucked up place with wars and exploitation etc.

 

[Koro_11]

Yes...if I'm the tiger. No...if I'm the zebra.

But your main paragraph is exactly the point I was making previously. Right now, we're the most powerful guy and other countries defer to us because of it. But part of being the most powerful guy is that it comes with more responsibilities. If we don't want the responsibilities, that's fine, but it also means we don't get to be the most powerful guy either.

As you note, someone will take our place. And right now, the most likely successor is China. Me, personally, I don't want China becoming the most powerful nation on the planet. They'll use their power to force concessions out of us if we're geopolitically isolated. And if we cede our power over smaller countries by alienating them then eventually it becomes a big enough bloc to harm us.

We're not at that point. But we know China has a plan for getting us there. We have to stay ahead of that.

Well I don't disagree with any of that, I think you can be the most powerful guy without taking advantage of the weak.

So yeah I'm certainly against America being a bully, but I thought this was mostly a thread about illegal immigration and US sending the illegals back to their own countries, which I'm all for.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Iraq, Afghanistan etc. I would say a pretty large part

To the extent that dissolving the Baath party led to ISIS but that area was full of extremists, sectarian strife, and dictators. It's debatable, but like I said you do have a point, I just wouldn't put all the blame on us for the clusterfuck that area has historically been.