International Trump, uniting the world against us

[Yoricks Wisdom]

Mega deals are being made behind closed doors IMO.

What we see and what the media (all of it) feeds us is woefully short on detail, depth and veracity.

I saw Trump and Putin walking together at their little staged affair and it was like,

"Hey, look at us. The two most powerful individuals on the planet! Feels good, bro."

Trump hates Zelensky as much as Putin does honestly and wants to make a deal with Putin to

access the large amount of precious metals, resources concentrated in that part of the world once he gets back land

he wants.

China is a different situation IMO, but clearly the country is dealing with an overwhelmingly problematic population, which is monitored
by no fewer than 700 MILLION cctv cameras. Mohdi, Xi, Jong Un and others are jockeying for position and possibly
strategizing how to take advantage of the US on all fronts. Trump likes to portray himself as some great 'deal maker', etc.
but he is out of his league when it comes to international politics IMO.

 

[TheMoa]

And if they don't become a superpower, it's because of the S in BRICS

They ruin everything.

do not underestimate the B going back to beg USA for scraps given the internal politics around here lol
But Tumps approach is backfiring, unless there's a regime change. One year ago population here opinion on USA was 60% favorable, on China was 30%. After trump's attacks it changed to 35% pro USA and about 55% pro China.

Trump sure as hell hasn’t done us any favors on a global scale but let’s not act like Russia/china/India haven’t been buddies for a while. BRICS and SCO became things 15 and 25 years ago. I’m gonna assume most of those other 20 countries are cans since almost no articles bother to name any of them. Most of these countries have been having these summits annually for years now.

India and China havent been on good terms. They have a border dispute that resulted in death before, back in 2020 it was 20+ deaths. Earlier this year on the Pakistan-India skirmish the relationship got worse, Pakistanis jets of chinese design downed multiple Indian's jets with in real time chinese intel. There was no direct flights between the countries, the visas were on hold and Xi and Modhi hadn't visited each other countries for 7 years. If Trump wants a peace prize he should claim this one, because they only cozied up after Trump decided to put extra 25% tariffs on India. This one is all on him lol

China and Russia were regional rivals ever since communist URSS split from communist China back in the 60s. Now the buddie buddie relationship isnt on Trump, this one comes from sanctioning Russia and doubling down on it. With the sanctions China became a major partner for Russia.

What you can also blame trump isnt only BRICS oriented, it's his tariff war on the world.
He should've tried to isolate China without taking on everybody else. A bunch of places that aren't pro China or that even deslike them felt attacked and that USA isnt a relliable partner, and China quitly shows up in the power vacuum offering deals.

Yeah, alliances vary tremendously in their degrees of closeness and partnership.


BRICS has existed for a while but how involved they become with each other rests largely (though not entirely) on how the West behaves.

Exacly that. Sometimes EU+ USA behave like they are in the 90s, URSS is gone to counterpoint their actions and they rule the world with unilateral decisions. Nowadays there are many other economic hubs and partners.
USA invading/bombing countries without rhyme or reason deteriorate thrust too (gotta prop up Al Qaeda to beat the commies, now gotta take down Al Qaeda, now Al Qaeda is our ally against Iran).

 

[Damien Karras]

My question is, in all seriousness, hasn’t this been the case since the 40s? I mean, it’s no news that they have a shared interest there. Should we continue the course? Since you have these contacts (not doubting) is there a plan in place?

Russia and, later China after the cultural Revolution, have long sought to mount a credible opposition to the West. Russia did so under the Soviet Union but lost. USA maintained global dominance for several decades due to its military and economic might, credible and reputable institutions, a strong dollar with low borrowing rates, and had an unbelievable amount of soft power it had crafted around the world and strategic in strategic geopolitical locations especially.
China learned the lessons from the cold war to play nice, grow their economy, and gain international influence over a long period of time. It's paying off now and we all fell for it. Good on them.

Trump is accelerating this process and has, in the span of 8 months, created irreversible damage He really is Russia and China's useful idiot. India being slapped with a 50% tariff without as much as a peep from Congress or other internal pressures contribute to the ongoing signaling that America is an unpredictable ally or partner. Canada is looking to other countries, notably Western Europe, to forge new trade partnerships. Western Europe is also the subject of tariffs. Trump has alluded to pulling out of NATO and its members are increasingly doubtful that he would respect article 5 of the treaty. India is seen holding hands with Putin (this imagery is deliberate and directed at Trump). China is now becoming the world's moral custodian by filling a global leadership vacuum caused by Trump. Imagine that.

America is increasingly isolating itself, although its economy is still a behemoth. They have lost an incredible amount of credibility on the world stage, and I don't think tariffs will get reversed even if a Democrat gets elected. Congress will revel in its newfound revenue stream, and when Americans will eventually forget that tariffs are baked into the prices of the consumable goods they purchase after a while. Meanwhile, countries and former American allies will progressively reorganize themselves away from USA.

I don't consider myself an expert on any of these topics. I have spent the last few years working in politics as both a staffer and in government relations consulting for private companies, and my background is political strategic operations. I work alongside policy experts, economists, lawyers, and politicians (Chiefs of staff, I've interacted with key ministers as well) I have contacts sprinkled around which include the UN, NATO, and Defense industry executives. I responded to @Fox by the Sea who said I lacked life experience. I'm not sure if he thinks I lack life experience anymore. I won't comment on what I think of his level of life experience.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I don't consider myself an expert on any of these topics. I have spent the last few years working in politics as both a staffer and in government relations consulting for private companies, and my background is political strategic operations. I work alongside policy experts, economists, lawyers, and politicians (Chiefs of staff, I've interacted with key ministers as well) I have contacts sprinkled around which include the UN, NATO, and Defense industry executives. I responded to @Fox by the Sea who said I lacked life experience. I'm not sure if he thinks I lack life experience anymore. I won't comment on what I think of his level of life experience.

Well you post like a clueless dork and the life experience you try to brag about is being a glorified bag holder for other people. Incredible to me you thought posting about how you "interacted" with people in power is a validation. But it's exactly the type of shit an unexperienced dork would think wows people. "I was once in the same room as Obama, clearly I'm a foreign policy expert, hurr durr". Good lord, what a can.

 

[Damien Karras]

Well you post like a clueless dork and the life experience you try to brag about is being a glorified bag holder for other people. Incredible to me you thought posting about how you "interacted" with people in power is a validation. But it's exactly the type of shit an unexperienced dork would think wows people. "I was once in the same room as Obama, clearly I'm a foreign policy expert, hurr durr". Good lord, what a can.

Nothing you say about me or my credentials has any effect on me. I mean, if you didn't post like an ignorant tool, I wouldn't have to call you out.

I was more than just "in the room" but I don't want to give myself away because I value my anonymity here. I'd ask what you do for a living, and where you get your knowledge from, but I doubt you would be forthcoming about it. Besides, your lack of depth on any of the topics you claim a lot about is quite clear. Keep yapping, little poodle

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Nothing you say about me or my credentials has any effect on me.

right. that's why you keep replying.
not upset at all.
tell me again how you once held the coat for an ambassador for 4 hours in the rain.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I find your reaction a little startling, probably due to a lack of critical thinking.

Russia is continuing its assault on Ukraine almost mocking Trump's previous threats.
India was recently slapped a 50% tariff for no reason. You can say it's because they purchased Russian crude oil and so they are being punished for it, but Trump is doing nothing to Russia and has not done anything to China who are also buying Russian crude oil. Could it be because Modi refused to endorse Trump for a nobel peace prize for his intervention in mounting escalations between Pakistan and India, and Pakistan endorsed Trump for the prize? Lots of speculation that it could be for that.

It was a scheduled summit, but they had a military parade and were seen smiling, laughing and having an overall good time. Contrast that with Putin and Trump's meeting in Alaska which was a complete an utter fail.

There is a clear symboilc momentum shift against the West. USA used to keep those 3 countries in check largely thanks to its economic and military force, and its soft power all throughout the world, but the USA has shit that away in the forms of tariffs and threats to invade fellow NATO members, among other displays of arrogance and bullying of its friends. The timing is good for China, Russia and India to ally against us.

If Trump was President this would have never happened...

 

[Mock Artwork]

Russia and, later China after the cultural Revolution, have long sought to mount a credible opposition to the West. Russia did so under the Soviet Union but lost. USA maintained global dominance for several decades due to its military and economic might, credible and reputable institutions, a strong dollar with low borrowing rates, and had an unbelievable amount of soft power it had crafted around the world and strategic in strategic geopolitical locations especially.
China learned the lessons from the cold war to play nice, grow their economy, and gain international influence over a long period of time. It's paying off now and we all fell for it. Good on them.

Trump is accelerating this process and has, in the span of 8 months, created irreversible damage He really is Russia and China's useful idiot. India being slapped with a 50% tariff without as much as a peep from Congress or other internal pressures contribute to the ongoing signaling that America is an unpredictable ally or partner. Canada is looking to other countries, notably Western Europe, to forge new trade partnerships. Western Europe is also the subject of tariffs. Trump has alluded to pulling out of NATO and its members are increasingly doubtful that he would respect article 5 of the treaty. India is seen holding hands with Putin (this imagery is deliberate and directed at Trump). China is now becoming the world's moral custodian by filling a global leadership vacuum caused by Trump. Imagine that.

America is increasingly isolating itself, although its economy is still a behemoth. They have lost an incredible amount of credibility on the world stage, and I don't think tariffs will get reversed even if a Democrat gets elected. Congress will revel in its newfound revenue stream, and when Americans will eventually forget that tariffs are baked into the prices of the consumable goods they purchase after a while. Meanwhile, countries and former American allies will progressively reorganize themselves away from USA.

I don't consider myself an expert on any of these topics. I have spent the last few years working in politics as both a staffer and in government relations consulting for private companies, and my background is political strategic operations. I work alongside policy experts, economists, lawyers, and politicians (Chiefs of staff, I've interacted with key ministers as well) I have contacts sprinkled around which include the UN, NATO, and Defense industry executives. I responded to @Fox by the Sea who said I lacked life experience. I'm not sure if he thinks I lack life experience anymore. I won't comment on what I think of his level of life experience.

Thanks for the detailed reply. I’m at work ATM but will continue this discussion later on. I really, really enjoy this type of discourse. I don’t want to argue but mainly sharpen my understanding.

 

[SandisLL]

Interestingly how Trymp will protect Taiwan if China will attack them? Like ukraine? No doubts. He even doesn't have balls to sell them weapons quickly...

And nope, not sanctions but shitload of cheap mainstream crap and lithium supplies russia into chinesse hands... during 25 years long and careful job done by China.
You can't afford to sell them such cheap stuff like China is doing...in no chance.
While China might feel a little if will not trade with russia.. russia will go 404 then.

And yes, I do know that yanks loves russia and easily might sell them some countries etc like some cocky emperors living in dream.
Russians, chinesse does think that yanks are dumb loosers and POS they should defeat...with any methods possible.

 

[Damien Karras]

Thanks for the detailed reply. I’m at work ATM but will continue this discussion later on. I really, really enjoy this type of discourse. I don’t want to argue but mainly sharpen my understanding.

No worries. It took me a while to respond as well because of work. I have to chill a bit when it comes to discussing with people holding opposing views, but I just have no more tolerance for uninformed opinions from idiots with confidence; especially the ones who say I have no life experience and are clearly way above their heads.

 

[SandisLL]

Russia and, later China after the cultural Revolution, have long sought to mount a credible opposition to the West. Russia did so under the Soviet Union but lost. USA maintained global dominance for several decades due to its military and economic might, credible and reputable institutions, a strong dollar with low borrowing rates, and had an unbelievable amount of soft power it had crafted around the world and strategic in strategic geopolitical locations especially.
China learned the lessons from the cold war to play nice, grow their economy, and gain international influence over a long period of time. It's paying off now and we all fell for it. Good on them.

Trump is accelerating this process and has, in the span of 8 months, created irreversible damage He really is Russia and China's useful idiot. India being slapped with a 50% tariff without as much as a peep from Congress or other internal pressures contribute to the ongoing signaling that America is an unpredictable ally or partner. Canada is looking to other countries, notably Western Europe, to forge new trade partnerships. Western Europe is also the subject of tariffs. Trump has alluded to pulling out of NATO and its members are increasingly doubtful that he would respect article 5 of the treaty. India is seen holding hands with Putin (this imagery is deliberate and directed at Trump). China is now becoming the world's moral custodian by filling a global leadership vacuum caused by Trump. Imagine that.

America is increasingly isolating itself, although its economy is still a behemoth. They have lost an incredible amount of credibility on the world stage, and I don't think tariffs will get reversed even if a Democrat gets elected. Congress will revel in its newfound revenue stream, and when Americans will eventually forget that tariffs are baked into the prices of the consumable goods they purchase after a while. Meanwhile, countries and former American allies will progressively reorganize themselves away from USA.

I don't consider myself an expert on any of these topics. I have spent the last few years working in politics as both a staffer and in government relations consulting for private companies, and my background is political strategic operations. I work alongside policy experts, economists, lawyers, and politicians (Chiefs of staff, I've interacted with key ministers as well) I have contacts sprinkled around which include the UN, NATO, and Defense industry executives. I responded to @Fox by the Sea who said I lacked life experience. I'm not sure if he thinks I lack life experience anymore. I won't comment on what I think of his level of life experience.

Canada is looking not only on western europe, also northern, central and eastern europe and on asia more and more.
Yanks are loosers living in dreams. Plus 0 balls now too ...

 

[Damien Karras]

right. that's why you keep replying.
not upset at all.
tell me again how you once held the coat for an ambassador for 4 hours in the rain.

Go rotate a tire

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Go rotate a tire

Go wipe an ambassador's ass.

 

[Damien Karras]

Canada is looking not only on western europe, also northern, central and eastern europe and on asia more and more.
Yanks are loosers living in dreams. Plus 0 balls now too ...

Canada is diversifying but has existing alliances and partnerships already in western europe they can further exploit. But yes, same with asian countries thanks to the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP). The problem is Canada sent nearly 80% of its exports to USA prior to the tariffs. This hinged our economy on theirs quite a bit, and the current situation is hurting us hard, but also the U.S.

There are no winners in this despite with the MAGA idiots here think. They like to cry foul about Canada's dairy quotas, digital media tax and the softwood lumber disputes as evidence of "unfair trade practices" and that the tariffs are a necessary countermasures, but the Americans have done similar to Canada as well through Buy American provisions, and Country-of-Origin Labeling for some pork and beef products which te WTO ruled against the U.S in 2015. These were/are minor disputes in the grand scheme of thing. Trump's sweeping tariffs are beyond overkill and an unnessary escalation with their historically closest ally. Don't even get me started on Trump's comments of annexing Canada as part of the US.

 

[Damien Karras]

Go wipe an ambassador's ass.

I know that it's on brand for MAGA to act like childish cunts, but you're just pathetic.

I see you have nothing of substance to add to any of the points I made. I stated my opinions, and your response was to question my level of life experience. When I stated my credentials, you resorted to junior high rhetoric such as the above comment. I'd invite you to engage in little bit of self-reflection, but I doubt you have the level of maturity required to do that. Good luck in whatever are your productive endeavors.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I know

you need to write at least 5 long paragraphs before i bother reading it.

 

[Scerpi]

Twenty counties attended a summit in China to counter act the United States by building new alliances, with China running the show. Of note is India and Russia attending. Three countries that have had difficult ties are now actively working together against the US in a coordinated method unlike any time in history.

There’s one person you can thank for that.

China tries to use Trump turmoil to unite leaders against U.S.-led order — The Washington Post

Twenty leaders — including from Russia, Iran and India — are in China for a summit designed to promote Beijing as a reliable counterweight to the U.S.

apple.news

Trump, his administration, and everyone that voted for him are to blame for this and the downfall of the United States. His tariffs and treatment of traditional allies will go down in history as the worst political mistake ever made. He’s shot us in the face economically and politically.

Allying with China??

Hahahaha.... China fucks everyone over... everytime

Hilarious



Hows those Belt and Road deals going again?

How many countries broke BRI deals with China because they realize China is the biggest scam artist on the planet?

 

[Scerpi]

I will simply repeat my opinion for the last 7 years. Trump's greatest threat to our nation is in foreign policy.

He is single-handedly destroying the world's ingrained reliance on US leadership. A reliance built on the back of WW2. 70 years of bridge building, ally alignments, etc. will be erase in less than a decade and will not be rebuilt because once you fracture the dynamic this way, no one comes back to you.

Bullshit...

The US is the biggest consumer in the world... and it's not even close.... except China. And China is far more protective than the US will ever be of foreign competition.

China fucks over it's citizens and they fuck over their trade partners. And if countries will try to work with China... lol. Your silly theory is hilarious terrible. You just hate Trump.

Foreign companies should be privileged to tap into the US market.

You severely underestimate the power of greed in every person and company

You'll think they'll walk away from piles of money because they don't like Trump.

Check your TDS

 

[Damien Karras]

Bullshit...

The US is the biggest consumer in the world... and it's not even close.... except China. And China is far more protective than the US will ever be of foreign competition.

China fucks over it's citizens and they fuck over their trade partners. And if countries will try to work with China... lol. Your silly theory is hilarious terrible. You just hate Trump.

Foreign companies should be privileged to tap into the US market.

You severely underestimate the power of greed in every person and company

You'll think they'll walk away from piles of money because they don't like Trump.

Check your TDS

You completely discount Trump's unpredictability and pettiness. Yes America has the biggest economy in the world, but you have to think long term on the trajectory of America relative to other nations such as China.

 

[panamaican]

Bullshit...

The US is the biggest consumer in the world... and it's not even close.... except China. And China is far more protective than the US will ever be of foreign competition.

China fucks over it's citizens and they fuck over their trade partners. And if countries will try to work with China... lol. Your silly theory is hilarious terrible. You just hate Trump.

Foreign companies should be privileged to tap into the US market.

You severely underestimate the power of greed in every person and company

You'll think they'll walk away from piles of money because they don't like Trump.

Check your TDS

Wow, yet another example of how you don't really understand things before you start talking.

Foreign policy is not the same as trade. I'm talking about foreign policy. Your post is about trade. Not the same thing.