Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[Fioretti]

Alves and Diego were top 5. Paulo Thiago too.

Wrong. Just straight wrong.

None of them were top 5 when Fitch beat them on his way to a title shot. Alves may have been the second time they fought, which was right after Alves lost to GSP, but they first fought in 2005 when Alves was only 2-1 in the UFC. Losing to Fitch brought him to 2-2 in the UFC with 0 top 10 wins. It was after he lost to Fitch the first time that he went on that long ass streak, entered the top 10/5, lost to GSP, then lost to Fitch immediately after. 100% not top 10 or top 5 when they first fought.

Diego was coming off his first career loss to Koscheck when he "lost" a split to Fitch, and was fringe top 10 at best. EDIT: Sherdog archives have him at exactly 5, but most other sites (MMAWeekly) had him lower.

Paulo Thiago had 1 win over Koscheck in the UFC before losing to Fitch, with 0 top 10 wins in his career prior to that. Koscheck wasn't top 5 or even top 10 at the time, as he was only 3-2 in his last 5 before losing to Thiago, which made him 3-3 (50%) in his last 6. His wins between losing to GSP and Thiago were Yoshida, Lytle, and Hazelett - with a loss to Alves in between. 100% not top 5 at the time, and most likely not even top 10 in most rankings. I remember him getting a bit of hype for KO'ing Koscheck, but he absolutely didn't crack the top 5 with that win, and most sites didn't even have him top 10. FOR FUCK'S SAKE he didn't even fight Thiago until a year after he fought GSP.

Try again, sweetie.

 

[gono btw]

Rumble on the Rock wasn't PRIDE rules so your opinion on "who won the fight as a whole" means literally nothing. Shields rightfully won the first 2 rounds. He didn't do much but got TDs even tho Yushin got back up. But Yushin was mainly on the defensive the first 2 rounds. You don't win rounds in combat sports mostly defending. Shields has won many rounds and eeked out close decisions that way.
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hmmm...yeah...definitely not the case, tho... There´s a reason why the Org. felt the need to turn that UD into a MD at the end of the fight.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Wrong. Just straight wrong.

None of them were top 5 when Fitch beat them on his way to a title shot. Alves may have been the second time they fought, which was right after Alves lost to GSP, but they first fought in 2005 when Alves was only 2-1 in the UFC. Losing to Fitch brought him to 2-2 in the UFC with 0 top 10 wins. It was after he lost to Fitch the first time that he went on that long ass streak, entered the top 10/5, lost to GSP, then lost to Fitch immediately after. 100% not top 10 or top 5 when they first fought.

Diego was coming off his first career loss to Koscheck when he "lost" a split to Fitch, and was fringe top 10 at best, 100% not top 5 when they fought.

Paulo Thiago had 1 win over Koscheck in the UFC before losing to Fitch, with 0 top 10 wins in his career prior to that. Koscheck wasn't top 5 or even top 10 at the time, as he was only 3-2 in his last 5 before losing to Thiago, which made him 3-3 (50%) in his last 6. His wins between losing to GSP and Thiago were Yoshida, Lytle, and Hazelett - with a loss to Alves in between. 100% not top 5 at the time, and most likely not even top 10 in most rankings. I remember him getting a bit of hype for KO'ing Koscheck, but he absolutely didn't crack the top 5 with that win, and most sites didn't even have him top 10. FOR FUCK'S SAKE he didn't even fight Thiago until a year after he fought GSP.

Try again, sweetie.

You try again, dummy.
Diego :
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-8942

Alves fight #2
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/5/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-25848

Paulo was #7, my bad
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/5/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-18004

Sherdog archives doesnt seem to go as far as the Alves fight.

 

[ThunderStruck]

That's a testament of Silva's greatness.

Okami took power punches from Marquardt or Franklin and barely even blinked. Was in a 20-3 run in which he had barely been seen in real trouble by any opponent.

How is that he folded vs Silva then? Because he had split with his girlfriend the night before? Because he had eat too much at breakfast that morning?
You dont offer absolutely nothing whasoever.

Okami looked totally focused at the beggining of that fight, following his game plan and you could even say that he was on his route to edge the first round.
It was a head kick that he didnt see coming with 10 seconds left in the round which messed with his confidence and made him afraid or making any move or opening up whatsoever since then.

How is that you dont make any reference whatsoever to that point?? Because you dont give a fuck xD, be honest.


Is that GSP contenders were "braver" than Okami and Griffin - and Maia and Leites who threw not even 20 strikes combined in 50 minuts - or rather is that the chance of getting lit up by a shot you dont see coming was like 100000 times superior if you had Silva in front of you than if you have GSP??

Did you ever think about it for a split second?
Do you think GSP would make Okami look even remotely that afrad? Do you believe so? No you dont.

You really need to be dishonest to use that ability to make opponents hesitant to discredit Silva's performance and his competition instead of the other way around.

Lol the classic 20-3 run Still waiting on your rankings bro.

 

[pankrat]

Lol the classic 20-3 run Still waiting on your rankings bro.

You are the fight finder rat not me so do your job.

Im telling you Okami was top5 ranked in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.
#2 at some point of most of those years, if not every of them.

Go do your homework nerd, I already proved you wrong too many times here

Here you have it from 2009:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-17131

Okami #2
Im not working for free, much less for a nerd of you caliber in all honesty

 

[Lee_]

All things considered i think im being ultra objective.

ROFL at all of these people on Sherdog spewing their opinion and calling it objective; as if calling it objective makes them right. Even "ultra" objective, lol. All you say in these first few posts is that Silva's performance is better because of a finish, as if competition doesn't matter, which is hilarious. By your supposed "objective" idea, you can finish a can and be better than someone who decisioned a top fighter. Not only is that an opinion, it is a silly one.

There is no comparison between Fitch and Okami; much better win for GSP.

 

[Candy Routure]

The GSP/Fitch fight was one of the worst beatings we’ve seen between a champ and valid number 1 contender. The fight should have been stopped several times.

Anderson beat a wrestler in a stand up fight, fabulously I must add!

Either is the answer.

Why are there so many Georges vs Andy threads over a decade later? They were both the best. Completely contrasting styles, but both, the best!

 

[Fioretti]

You try again, dummy.
Diego :
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-8942

Alves fight #2
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/5/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-25848

Paulo was #7, my bad
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/5/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-18004

Sherdog archives doesnt seem to go as far as the Alves fight.

Sherdog wasn't the only rankings back then, sugartits, and all you did was prove everything I said correct with the exception of maybe Diego, but he wasn't top 5 in MMAWeekly at the time. Alves wasn't top 5 when they first fought, only the second time they fought. Thiago wasn't top 5 when they fought, fringe top 10 at best, and Sanchez was fringe top 10 in most rankings.

 

[Fioretti]

ROFL at all of these people on Sherdog spewing their opinion and calling it objective; as if calling it objective makes them right. Even "ultra" objective, lol. All you say in these first few posts is that Silva's performance is better because of a finish, as if competition doesn't matter, which is hilarious. By your supposed "objective" idea, you can finish a can and be better than someone who decisioned a top fighter. Not only is that an opinion, it is a silly one.

There is no comparison between Fitch and Okami; much better win for GSP.

Ok, friend. So objectively tell me how Fitch earning his title shot by beating Chris Wilson (making his UFC debut) makes him a better win than Okami beating former title contender and multi-time Pancrase champ Nate Marquardt in his second successful title eliminator in the organization? How was the Fitch win better? Please, be objective in your assessment.

 

[pankrat]

ROFL at all of these people on Sherdog spewing their opinion and calling ti objective; as if calling it objective makes them right. Even "ultra" objective, lol. All you say in these first few posts is that Silva's performance is better because of a finish, as if competition doesn't matter, which is hilarious. By your supposed "objective" idea, you can finish a can and be better than someone who decisioned a top fighter. Not only is that an opinion, it is a silly one.

Competition matters, but what is not objective is saying that the difference in caliber of competition between Fitch and Okami justified claiming that a decision is superior than outclassing and finishing your opponent.
You could say one was slighly better or worse than the other but they werent in different leagues to support such claim.

 

[Fioretti]

Competition matters, but what is not objective is saying that the difference in caliber of competition between Fitch and Okami justified claiming that a decision is superior than outclassing and finishing your opponent.
You could say one was slighly better or worse than the other but they werent in different leagues to support such claim.

100% correct.

This is the problem with GSP fans. They overexaggerate the shit out of GSP's competition while simultaneously trying to downplay the shit out of Silva's. It's absurd. In most cases, they're very comparable, almost perfect comparisons. They can't admit this, though, as it would just be an admission of Silva's superiority as a fighter since he obliterated and finished most of his competition in spectacular fashion. So they have to say that he was fighting in a "weak division" against "weak competition", to compensate for their hero's lack of finishes, and they fighter bash the fuck out of some serious competitors to push this narrative. They have some unrelenting innate complex to glorify and fabricate everything about their favorite guy, and try to demonize any threat to his status. This complex includes never acknowledging or addressing (fully) anything that they see as remotely negative towards their man crush. It's fucking bizarre, and unique to Sherdog.

 

[killakillakilla]

I dont know where you look but theres way more highlights from the GSP fight.

no there’s not lol

 

[youguysneverfought]

Then, notsosure? I know you got banned not long ago. Don't try to fool me.

You only embarass yourself, first account, fatty.
You're so bias most people feel this way, it doesn't take an old enemy or whatever to ridicule you.

Go back to your comic books, with that profile pic and that user name the nerdness is oozing out of you.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

All things considered i think im being ultra objective.

You asked for an opinion and got it. Just because i said something you didn't want to hear doesn't mean im a GSP hater

Make any thread about GSP, and you spew the same shit. It has nothing to do with anything other than GSP hate. Neither Penn or Silva ever need to be named in the OP. But, it’s always anti-GSP posts from you guys, and a few others. Your post histories back that up.

Don’t act like victims. That’s fucking lame. At least stand behind your hate 24/7, and don’t apologize or try to excuse it.

I make no secret of my loathing of Jones, and Conor and I never will. The fact that the whole world doesn’t see them for what they are is the only surprising part.

 

[ThunderStruck]

lol what a sissy. Plenty of people have pointed out the blatant bias in the OP.
If you a re such a coward behind a screen I can't even imagine in real life.

21-3.

I already stated that i remembered wrong the part where Okami went to the minor leagues after the Boetch fight and corrected the OP. Corrected in a long while ago.

 

[ThunderStruck]

You are the fight finder rat not me so do your job.

Im telling you Okami was top5 ranked in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.
#2 at some point of most of those years, if not every of them.

Go do your homework nerd, I already proved you wrong too many times here

Here you have it from 2009:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-17131

Okami #2
Im not working for free, much less for a nerd of you caliber in all honesty

Theres a huge difference between a top 5 win and top 2 win. HUGE. Okami was #2 MW for what? 3-4 months total in his career? Fitch was #2 WW for 32 months. 10 times as long. Deal with it.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Another poster caught you in a lie it seems. How many already? 67?

Now you were trying to push Pauo Thiago as a legitimate top5 opponent...you must be really desperate to make Fitch look as "the much superior opponent than Okami" uh

As opposed to push Okami for his losses to Franklin and Shields right? "But but he looked allright while losing!"

 

[ThunderStruck]

no there’s not lol

Nope.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Competition matters, but what is not objective is saying that the difference in caliber of competition between Fitch and Okami justified claiming that a decision is superior than outclassing and finishing your opponent.
You could say one was slighly better or worse than the other but they werent in different leagues to support such claim.

GSP didn't outclass Fitch? Another lie.

 

[ThunderStruck]

You only embarass yourself, first account, fatty.
You're so bias most people feel this way, it doesn't take an old enemy or whatever to ridicule you.

Go back to your comic books, with that profile pic and that user name the nerdness is oozing out of you.

Yeah right first account