Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[ThunderStruck]

Who looked to you as the superior fighter and who would you favour in a inmediate rematch?

I give ton of credit for Fitch for his fight with BJ. I would even if it was scored a SD for BJ or a UD I dont give a fuck, I have eyes, brain and criteria which I dont expect from a fight-finder-rat fansissy to cultivate or even care about.

Shields rapes him if they rematched in his prime, just like he raped hendo. Just because he gassed in the third doesn't mean hes not better. The judges sure as hell thought he did better.

But yeah still hang on to that one fight while ignoring Fitch HEAD TO HEAD win against Okami. Theres no way you can win that argument.

 

[pankrat]

Fitch beat Okami while being 3 years older. Not sure what you're trying to argue there but that doesn't look good for you.

Fitch beat Okami in the juice, as ripped as ever despite pushing 40s vs a badly declining Okami, who was clean, and moving down a weightclass for the first time in 8 years. And STILL he was favoured by odds.

Watching the fight, it was actually conditioning what made the difference, that's what the juice is for, and after an extremely competitive round and a half, in which Okami actually edged the first round in some scorecard, followed a dominant latter part of the fight for Fitch in which Yushin looked badly gassed and pyshicially diminished, bad weight cut in top of age and mileage.

I dont expect a fight-finder-rat, and a coward lier in top of that, to acknowledge any of these. I express my opinions and work on my English skills along the way, maybe even it gets to the sensible man under the stale, perverted nerd fanboy you created but I definitely dont reply to you with such purpose.
Observers in this thread are also witnesses of the hardcore raping you are suffering in this ur own thread sissyboy

 

[chardog]

Fitch was unbeatable? The streak he was riding included a split with and undersized Sanchez and a gross robbery vs Jeff Joslin which should be an L. No other top5 wins in that run other than Sanchez.
Fitch was definitely a legitimate contender but unbeatable?
Was Okami more beatable riding a 20-3 run in which he was barely been seen in trouble at any point not even in extremey competitive fights with top5ers Franklin, Shields (at WW) and Marquardt?

Fitch would not be favoured at that point - and if that not by much - vs Okami at 170 let alone at 185.
Even if you want to argue Fitch was the slightly superior fighter, there is no way you can claim he was in a different league than Okami to the point it justifies claimng a decision is a superior performance than actually finishing your opponent after outclassing him in a flawles performance.

If Okami looked as he had no chance of surviving 25 minuts with Silva is a testament of Anderson's greatness, not an excuse to downplay his opponent/performance.

TBF, I dont know who joslin is. I just remember Fitches blanket technique was extremely hard to beat, but stylistically, I thought it would be an easy fight for GSP. Stylistically, Okami was bad for AS, but either way, I thought it would be an easy match for silva simply because he had mastered MMA at that point.

I'm just saying, it was one of GSP's toughest opponents

silva clearly has the better more dominant wins, I dont think anyone disputes that. Fitch was like Chael sonnen level of competition for their respective times..... except chael is a little better/more dangerous at the time. Fitch and Okami were very similar style fighters, super strong, nullifying types.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Fitch beat Okami in the juice, as ripped as ever despite pushing 40s vs a badly declining Okami, who was clean, and moving down a weightclass for the first time in 8 years. And STILL he was favoured by odds.

Watching the fight, it was actually conditioning what made the difference, that's what the juice is for, and after an extremely competitive round and a half, in which Okami actually edged the first round in some scorecard, followed a dominant latter part of the fight for Fitch in which Yushin looked badly gassed and pyshicially diminished, bad weight cut in top of age and mileage.

I dont expect a fight-finder-rat, and a coward lier in top of that, to acknowledge any of these. I express my opinions and work on my English skills along the way, maybe even it gets to the sensible man under the stale, perverted nerd fanboy you created but I definitely dont reply to you with such purpose.
Observers in this thread are also witnesses of the hardcore raping you suffer in this ur own thread sissyboy

LOL Fitch was clean. He had just tested positive, theres no way he takes the risk in his very next fight. What a pathetic excuse.

3 years old washed up Fitch > Okami. Deal with it.

Oh and im still waiting on your proof that Okami was just a good ranking-wise. 32 out of 42 months at #2.

 

[Juzie]

silva clearly has the better more dominant wins, I dont think anyone disputes that. Fitch was like Chael sonnen level of competition for their respective times..... except chael is a little better/more dangerous at the time. Fitch and Okami were very similar style fighters, super strong, nullifying types.

Fitch was on p4p lists and Chael was notorious for getting tapped out by the guy on the bottom. Chael does NOT compare to Fitch lol. He made his name off ALMOST beating Anderson. Before that fight he was supposed to be as easy as the Hardy win for GSP.

 

[Barteh]

They're pretty even tbh. Fitch is a bit stronger but Silva's way of winning as a bit more impressive. Hard to really confidently pick one over the other.

 

[pankrat]

Fitch was on p4p lists and Chael was notorious for getting tapped out by the guy on the bottom. Chael does NOT compare to Fitch lol. He made his name off ALMOST beating Anderson. Before that fight he was supposed to be as easy as the Hardy win for GSP.

Educate yourself, dude. After getting in the juice and hiring a renowned BJJ coach in Fabiano Pega-leve, both happening after he lost to Maia in 2008, Sonnen took his game to another level being already a notoriously dominant wrestler with solid wins and experience.

After dominating in consecutive upsets prime Marquardt and Okami, there were no doubts left in the MMA community that he was a real force, that he was blatantly in the juice, and that he was the toughest match up stylistically for Silva as a champ.
Sonnen backed up that impression in fights with the widely regarded #1 p4p fighter in Silva, as well as Bisping, Stan or Rua.
Your opinion on the matter is literally a sherbro meme.

 

[chardog]

Fitch was on p4p lists and Chael was notorious for getting tapped out by the guy on the bottom. Chael does NOT compare to Fitch lol. He made his name off ALMOST beating Anderson. Before that fight he was supposed to be as easy as the Hardy win for GSP.

chael had a good run, beating okami and marquart at the time was a huge deal, even after with stann and bisping, that was a big part of the division that chael beat. he lost to maia, who was a title contender. those guys that he beat to get to the title are probably ranked higher than any of fitches opponents.

 

[OverhandRightKayo]

Im not really surprised that 2 Silva lovers/GSP haters ranks finishes over quality of opponents.

Shut the hell up.

Idiot.

Accept the facts.

 

[Lee_]

Ok, friend. So objectively tell me how Fitch earning his title shot by beating Chris Wilson (making his UFC debut) makes him a better win than Okami beating former title contender and multi-time Pancrase champ Nate Marquardt in his second successful title eliminator in the organization? How was the Fitch win better? Please, be objective in your assessment.

I never made the claim of total objectivity, only mocked it. These kind of comparisons always involve subjectivity. People on Sherdog always like to use the word "objectivity" improperly to validate their opinion. Of course it is an opinion. It may involve some objective ideas, but that doesn't make the conclusion entirely objective, which is what a lot of Sherdoggers miss.

Fitch was a better opponent in a better division basically, and he had dominated most of his competition, and done so better than Okami.

 

[Deleted member 465145]

That’s a solid debate. Both champs handled both opponents exactly as they should have. In my opinion it’s the win over Fitch, because I have Fitch as a better all time fighter and the only one of the two opponents that I thought had some path to victory at the time of the fight, however narrow.

 

[Juzie]

Educate yourself, dude. After getting in the juice and hiring a renowned BJJ coach in Fabiano Pega-leve, both happening after he lost to Maia in 2008, Sonnen took his game to another level being already a notoriously dominant wrestler with solid wins and experience.

After dominating in consecutive upsets prime Marquardt and Okami, there were no doubts left in the MMA community that he was a real force, that he was blatantly in the juice, and that he was the toughest match up stylistically for Silva as a champ.
Sonnen backed up that impression in fights with the widely regarded #1 p4p fighter in Silva, as well as Bisping, Stan or Rua.
Your opinion on the matter is literally a sherbro meme.

This entire forum back in like 07/08 were saying how great Fitch and Alves were and that 170 is the best division ever and both guys were on p4p top 10 lists (granted we only had 5 weight classes at the time). Meanwhile no one gave Chael a chance against Silva besides a small group.

If you weren't around at the time the best ways to get a public perception of the bout is to either search old threads on here or even better check out the fight odds.

Georges St-Pierre's MMA Odds History | Best Fight Odds

GSPs matches against Penn, Fitch and Alves were all super hyped as very top of the top opponents.

Anderson Silva's MMA Odds History | Best Fight Odds

Okami and Sonnen were "just another dude for Silva to beat up on". A small handful of people (myself included) thought that Chael had the tools to be a nightmare for Silva...and he almost was. No actually he definitely was...he was very close to winning...unlike any of GSPs opponents.

Ive been around the sport since around 2001 so I don't need to educate myself on the most mainstream of mainstream MMA fights lol. Get real.

 

[pankrat]

This entire forum back in like 07/08 was saying how great Fitch and Alves were and that 170 is the best division ever. Meanwhile no one gave Chael a chance against Silva besides a small group.

If you weren't around at the time the best ways to get a public perception of the bout is to either search old threads on here or even better check out the fight odds.

Georges St-Pierre's MMA Odds History | Best Fight Odds

GSPs matches against Penn, Fitch and Alves were all super hyped as very top of the top opponents.

Anderson Silva's MMA Odds History | Best Fight Odds

Okami and Sonnen were "just another dude for Silva to beat up on". A small handful of people (myself included) thought that Chael had the tools to be a nightmare for Silva...and he almost was. No actually he definitely was...he was very close to winning...unlike any of GSPs opponents.

Cool story, dude. So all your knowledge of this game is about takjs in sherdog heavies lol

Anderson being such a massive favourite is a testament of his greatness. He was widely ranked as #1 p4p for a reason.

If Okami and Fitch were matched, none of them would be a massive favourite over the other, so get it right, its not that Yushin was that bad, its was about Silva being that good.

Cut the BS with that "public perception" of the shertard forum dude, it's embarrassing.
Okami and Fitch were similar caliber of opponent according to odds, rankings and performances vs top5 competition, whatever difference could be between them doesnt justufy than taking it to the judges is a superior performance than finishing a fight. Only a shertard of the first order or a stupid fanboy would dispute that.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

This entire forum back in like 07/08 were saying how great Fitch and Alves were and that 170 is the best division ever and both guys were on p4p top 10 lists (granted we only had 5 weight classes at the time). Meanwhile no one gave Chael a chance against Silva besides a small group.

If you weren't around at the time the best ways to get a public perception of the bout is to either search old threads

Okami and Sonnen were "just another dude for Silva to beat up on". A small handful of people (myself included) thought that Chael had the tools to be a nightmare for Silva...and he almost was. No actually he definitely was...he was very close to winning...unlike any of GSPs opponents.

I disagree with all this on so many different levels.

 

[Juzie]

I disagree with all this on so many different levels.

Maybe you do...what about these sites that had Jon Fitch listed #5 P4P above 155lbs champion BJ Penn?
MMA Pound-For-Pound Rankings (Updated 9-4-2010) | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights
The Bloody Elbow 100 for 2010: Ranking the World's Best Mixed Martial Artists - Bloody Elbow

Also on the 2nd link. Jon Fitch is P4P #5. Okami is P4P #19. Which going by UFCs system of only ranking the top 15...would make him unranked.

 

[cade187]

I stated the same facts for both fights, the streak before and after their fights against the goat. Let me know exactly where its biased.

Just admit your bias and move on. You sound like a child. Do you want people's opinions? Or do you want people to agree with you?

 

[Islam Imamate]

GSP over Fitch easily. No offense to Okami, but Fitch was a major force for many, many years. He won something like 15 or 16 fights ina row before GSP thoroughly dominated him, and then won another five in a row.

And hell, Fitch beat Okami.

This. Silva's best wins are probably his sub over Hendo, who was the PRIDE double champ and just went five rounds with Rampage, and Forest who just lost the LHW title.

 

[cade187]

Maybe you do...what about these sites that had Jon Fitch listed #5 P4P above 155lbs champion BJ Penn?
MMA Pound-For-Pound Rankings (Updated 9-4-2010) | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights
The Bloody Elbow 100 for 2010: Ranking the World's Best Mixed Martial Artists - Bloody Elbow

Also on the 2nd link. Jon Fitch is P4P #5. Okami is P4P #19. Which going by UFCs system of only ranking the top 15...would make him unranked.

The thread isn't about who was ranked higher; the thread is about which win was better. Also, being #19 p4p isn't a bad thing.

That's also an opinion piece from Brent Brookhouse, where he doesn't give any criteria for his rankings other than his opinion.

The idea here is sort of a top 100 pound-for-pound as it stands right now, a snapshot in time to close out another year of boxing MMA. And this year definitely had its highlights and its dead months and its messes and controversies and B.S. and all of that jive. But it's not meant to be taken all seriously, either. I'm sure I "underrated" your favorite fighter. "No way is Carl Froch Dan Hardy that low!" or the like, and that's great and all, but honestly? For honesty's sake? I don't care if I didn't rank your favorite fighter. It's just a stupid list.

 

[Juzie]

The thread isn't about who was ranked higher; the thread is about which win was better. Also, being #19 p4p isn't a bad thing.

That's also an opinion piece from Brent Brookhouse, where he doesn't give any criteria for his rankings other than his opinion.

The higher ranked fighter is the better win though, for example, if you are a ranked fighter trying to earn a title shot then beating #5 is far better than beating #19 right?

I am not saying Okami wasn't a good win, but Fitch is undoubtedly a better win. You won't find a single p4p list from that era that rates Okami above Fitch. Well maybe if you try a troll like Bloodstain Lane or someone similar....

Who was the tougher figher? Different debate.... who was the better win? Fitch hands down.

 

[mjfan23]

Not really legacy defining wins